Talk:New Jersey Turnpike/Archive 1

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Old discussion

Copyright question -- this seems to be adapted from http://www.nycroads.com/roads/nj-turnpike/ . Gpietsch, do you have permission to use this material? If not, we will have to remove it. --Brion 21:23 Aug 30, 2002 (PDT)

The copyrighted text has been removed from the database. --Brion 19:09 Sep 2, 2002 (PDT)


Bruce Springsteen also made a reference to the New Jersey Turnpike in "Jungleland", from the "Born to Run" LP:

Man there's an opera out on the Turnpike
There's a ballet being fought out in the alley
Until the local cops, Cherry Tops, rips this holy night

[17:45, 12 December 2005 80.74.167.118]

Not really. Per the Dave Marsh books, the "opera" was meant as a reference to the Garden State Arts Center, near where Springsteen was living at the time, and the Arts Center is actually on the Garden State Parkway. So Bruce was either confused or taking artistic license; either way, the reference is not about the NJT. Wasted Time R 17:51, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

New images

Turnpike's unusual VMS
Passing southbound under the Pulaski skyway (Routes 1 and 9)

Here are two images that might be good — Omegatron 21:39, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

The first is good to illustrate the Turnpike's unique changeable speed limit signs and warning signs, which are very different from most variable message displays. The second was taken below the Pulaski Skyway if I am not mistaken, is that true? --Chris 20:13, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, that second is definitely under the Skyway, and based on the decline to the right and the Turnpike Extension (exits 14x) bridge in the background, headed south.
Atlant 14:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


North end

The north end of the original Turnpike is at US 46. The extension to the GWB is just that - an extension. We don't list junctions on the other extensions, so why list them on the north extension? --SPUI (T - C) 11:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Because the extension to the GWB is an extension of the mainline; the other "extensions" are more spurs off the mainline than actual extensions. -- NORTH talk 11:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Eh - how about now? Note that I have corrected several mileages - for instance you seem to have used the state line rather than the change of maintenance at the GWB. --SPUI (T - C) 11:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I did. I apologize for that inaccuracy. -- NORTH talk 11:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Apologies for my assumption about the north end. [1] includes the text "the Turnpike’s 122-mile mainline roadway" and "the 122 miles of the New Jersey Turnpike mainline". --SPUI (T - C) 14:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

The page about Giants Stadium would have you believe that the Western Spur of the Turnpike wasn't created until plans for the Stadium were approved. I don't believe this is true. Njradiohistorian (talk) 05:44, 23 February 2008 (UTC)NJRadioHistorian

Exits by mileage?

Has there ever been any serious discussion of renumbering the exits to use the approximate position (by mileage) rather than the sequential numbering used today?

If there has, I think it would be interesting to discuss this in the article as most of the major highways (at least in the Eastern U.S.) use this method of numbering exits. Dharris 15:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know, no, there has not been any discussion about renumbering the exits. In the unlikely event any discussion were to happen, it would probably not be until after the completion of the interchange between I-95 and I-276 in Pennsylvania -- but as I said, even that is unlikely.
And actually, most highways--at least in the case of toll roads--in the northeast number their exits sequentially. The Garden State Parkway is an exception. The Pennsylvania and Ohio Turnpikes used to. -- NORTH talk 22:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, there has been discussion. When Pennsylvania switched all of their roads and when Exit 15X was being planned, it was discussed in NJ. A Turnpike spokesman claimed (paraphrase) 'The NJTPK is a thinking man's roadway. We'll never switch to mileage-based exit numbers'. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anything to link to about this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.0.88.181 (talkcontribs) 15:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Would Route 3 be considerwed major at the NJTP or Route 495, since it's going to and from the Lincoln Tunnel or with the Meadowlands?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nextbarker (talkcontribs) 15:59, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

And why wouldn't Route 278 be considered major at exit 13 with the Goethals Bridge at that exit? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nextbarker (talkcontribs) 16:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Because in addition to determining whether or not a junction is major, we should also be careful not to list too many junctions. The junction list should be at most 10-12 junctions that are relatively evenly spaced along the length of the route. What I'd like to do is remove the I-280 and NJ 3 junctions you've added, and replace them with NJ 495 to the Lincoln Tunnel. -- NORTH talk 16:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
The advantage to this is that it's nicely evenly spaced; we have Exits 3, 6, 7A, 9, 11, 14, 16, and 18 listed in the infobox. -- NORTH talk 16:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Would Route 1 be acceptable in the info box next to Route 18 that's pretty major? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nextbarker (talkcontribs) 18:48, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, US 1 should have been listed. Please keep in mind that the proper format for U.S. Routes is US 1, not Route 1. -- NORTH talk 08:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
US 1 doesn't actually intersect the Turnpike there; it's just signed at the exit. There should be a TO between the 18 and 1 shields on the sign (and I think there is at the junction with Route 18 after the toll booth). All of the exits from 9 to 18 provide easy access to US 1. --SPUI (T - C) 09:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Should US 9 be acceptable to put next to the GSP shield in Woodbridge in the NJTP info box, that gets pretty jammed other then the usage for the GSP.

Sure, they don't have direct ramps to the NJTP but they can create big back ups especially US Route 1 at Route 18

Nextbarker 15:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)Dan

If the NJTPA has plans to renumber its exits, it would most likely be on the mainline Turnpike between I-295 and I-80 and on the Newark Bay Extension. In my opinion, I would replace those dopey signs (which does not meet FHWA standards), replace them with the type of signs used on N.J. Interstate Highways, and for exit numbering, use the Delaware/Maryland State Line (on the Delaware Memorial Bridge) as the 0.0 milepost, with the highest milepost (and exit number) being the last northbound exit prior to the George Washington Bridge. Rwboa22 18:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Route 1

I know there no drect ramps from the NJTP to Route 1 in New Brunswick, but I think it should be added next to the NJ 18 shield because the NJTP does creat a backup just getting to NJ 18 + getting into US 1.

Nextbarker 22:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

Nextbarker 03:44, 15 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

to the last one

I added a NJ 440 shield next to the I-287 shield since, there is a ramp to NJ 440 as well as 287.

Nextbarker 03:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

I also added a US 1 shield next to NJ 18 because well there might not be ramp to US 1 from the NJTP, the NJTP can get very jammed up trying to get to 1.

Nextbarker 03:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

I added a NJ 440 shield next to I-287 in the major junction box was that smart?

Nextbarker 00:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

And can't you access Route 514 from the NJTP exit 10?

Nextbarker 00:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

You can, but that doesn't make it a major junction.
US 1 was removed because even though there might be major back-ups, that doesn't change the fact that there's no junction between the two there. -- NORTH talk 21:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I guess the NJ 440 shield wasn't smart either.

Nextbarker 04:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

Route 440

Was the Route 440 shield appropriate to add next to the Interstate 287 shield on the NJTP infobox?

Nextbarker 18:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

Yes. -- NORTH talk 02:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, its listed on the exit sign Jgcarter 03:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

U.S. Route 9 - NJ Turnpike

US Route 9 wouldn't be acceptable next to the GSP shield, since there are no direct ramps to US 9 from the NJTP at Exitt

Nextbarker 04:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

Sure, there is. The ramp from the Turnpike and the ramp from the Parkway merge together; both have direct access -- even if the access to/from the Parkway is shorter. -- NORTH talk 16:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I didn't think US Route 9 would be acceptable to put next to the GSP shield at exit 11, because there's no direct access ramp to and from the NJTP - Route 9, only merges with the GSP.

Nextbarker 06:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

As I said above, yes, there is, although it's not a complete interchange. US 9 Northbound has direct access both to and from the Turnpike, US 9 Southbound only has direct access from the Turnpike. To clarify -- take for example US 9 heading northbound. There's a left exit on US 9 northbound at about the same point Exit 129 exits from the right of the GSP northbound. Those two exit ramps merge together right before the Turnpike toll plaza. (Southbound to southbound movements are exactly the same, opposite direction movements are the hairy ones.) That's very different from the case at Exit 9 where you have to exit from the Turnpike and merge completely into Route 18 for a mile before you get to US 1.
I do understand the confusion though, since in that area US 9 essentially acts as a C-D road for the Parkway. The two are completely separate highways though. (The parkway is maintained by the Turnpike Authority, US 9 by NJDOT.) You'd have to say that either both the Parkway and US 9 have direct access (although not in all directions for US 9), or neither do. It's obviously both. -- NORTH talk 07:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

US 9 South has a direct access from the NJ Turnpike?

I've seen the NJTP ramp and if you say to the left getting off the NJTP you hit the GSP so if you go straight then you hit US 9 South but where does US 9 North come in, do you have to take Route 184 East? I don't live in Woodbridge

Nextbarker 04:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

If you stay

Nextbarker 04:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

Cause I noticed on the NJTP/GSP cd road, there's a mentioning of Route 1 that point before US 9 South merges in.

Nextbarker 04:39, 3 December 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

My apologies, I was incorrect. There is direct access from US 9 Northbound to the Turnpike, and from the Turnpike to US 9 Southbound. (Not from the Turnpike to US 9 Northbound as I originally said.) Traffic can use Route 184 and King Georges Road to U-turn and make the missing movements. Regardless, US 9 should be listed in the junction list. -- NORTH talk 23:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Dont forget, though; US 9 'IS' Listed on the exit 11 Sign. It has a US 9 shield and below it reads "Garden State PARKWAY". So I agree that US 9 should be included. Jgcarter 14:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Major Junction?

Ummm, guys? I dont really think NJ 168 is really a major junction per se. May I give my recommended list?

South of exit 9 when the turnpike gets more rual, the exits arent all that major though I could remotely understand NJ 168 but when we say "major" I am thinking of a higher capacity interchange. Anyone agree? Jgcarter 00:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, somebody added NJ 32 to the major junction list. Wikipedia says there should be no more than 10 major junctions in the infobox. Sure, NJ 32 may service 20k vehicles but is that close to the number of vehicles that use exit 7A? I dont think so. Please see the wikipedia Interstate project for more on the major junction criteria. I dont mean to be rude, but I am undoing this edit until we come to a conclusion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jgcarter (talkcontribs) 21:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC).
Oops! I forgot to sign my post! =P Thanks, Hagerman Bot! Jgcarter 21:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the list proposed above as I fail to see how any state highway that is not limited-access can be considered a major junction for a limited-access highway. Additionally, I can't remember where it was written or who wrote it, but someone once commented that major junctions are intended to give the reader a sense of where the route goes at a glance. State highways do not if the reader lives outside of New Jersey, IMO. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 22:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
The list currently used (Jgcarter was right to remove NJ 32) is the same as the one listed above with two additions. NJ 18 (Exit 9) is included – NJ 18 is a limited access highway just north of the Turnpike junction, and also for much of the route south of the junction, and provides access to New Brunswick, a major city. (Also, the exit is also signed as being for US 1.) NJ 168 is included because it is just north of where the turnpike passes over I-76/NJ 42 with no interchange, and is the most direct route for traffic trying to access I-295, I-76, or the ACE, or the cities of Camden and Philadelphia.
Unless I've counted incorrectly (which is entirely possible), the current list uses 10, which most people agreed was the perfect number. -- NORTH talk 22:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Oops, apparently I didn't do any research into the state routes used before I posted my comment. <eats slice of humble pie> But for the NJ 168 junction, maybe some additional info could be added to the line (something like I-76/I-295/ACE via NJ 168). My two, hopefully this time relevant and informed, cents. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 23:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
No embarassment necessary, it was an honest question. As for the NJ 168 junction, would perhaps changing it to read "near Camden" (as it originally read) be enough to solve the problem – indicating it's major because it serves that major city? -- NORTH talk 09:11, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Heh, dont be embarrased, I make a LOT of mistakes on WP. Anyways, why dont we put NJ 42, I-76, and the ACE in parenthesees? Like this
Circle sign 168.svg TO (I-76.svgCircle sign 42.svg). I think that'll be fine...what do you think? Jgcarter 13:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
The two problems I see with that (both relatively minor) is (a) including all those extra shields would force the junction to take up a lot of extra space and (b) it borders on original research since the exit is only signed as NJ 168 to Camden/Woodbury. -- NORTH talk 23:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, good point. Do you know how to add footnotes? That way we can justify the interchange? I mean, it looks no different. If we do footnotes, then it could say why its listed...this will also avoid any edit wars (I was recently in one, but not on this page). Jgcarter 01:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
It's probably better to use a hidden comment: <!--this is the main Camden exit--> --NE2 02:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, if we change the line to read "near Camden", then that wouldn't be necessary, but we could use the comment to list the extra routes for justification if necessary. -- NORTH talk 21:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Good point. BTW, refresh my memormy...isnt there a sign that says
TO Atlantic City USECircle sign 168.svg
Im pretty sure I saw this somewhere. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jgcarter (talkcontribs) 21:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC).
I'm not sure, but it is a possibility. When I made my comment, I was only referring to the main Exit 3 signage, which you can see on Steve Alpert's site. I'm going to go ahead and change it to "near Camden" now. -- NORTH talk 21:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
It's been 10 months since I drove through this part of the Turnpike but I do remember seeing signage in text only (no logos/symbols) for Walt Whitman Bridge and Atlantic City Expressway on secondary signs (not the main exit sign). --Polaron | Talk 23:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I was on there this past December. I think we can add TO ACE just to justify it some, though. But also, some people contend NJ 168 is also a major junction due to its connection with Philly. I think we can just say NJ 168 to ACE since there is a sign on the Turnpike saying that. If not, Im not married to the idea...its only an infobox. Jgcarter 00:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

National Network

"Due to an executive order signed by former Governor Christine Todd Whitman, truck travel is limited to the "National Network," of which the Turnpike is a part. Trucks cannot use at-grade portions of U.S. 1-9 except while making local deliveries, and are banned on the Pulaski Skyway."

A Federal court recently overturned this policy. Not sure if the truck ban on US 1/9 was affected (the case was more about some central Jersey roads). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.0.88.181 (talkcontribs) 15:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I can't find anything online relating to the lifting of the ban, and very little on the imposing of the ban of the first place (apart from the I-95 page on nycroads.com -- which is notorious for out-of-date information). It's really a moot point though, since I don't really see how it's relevant to this page in the first place, not to mention whether the shunpiking information is verifiable and not original research. I'll rewrite that section to minimize the roadgeeky speculation, and probably take out the reference to surface US 1/9 entirely. (Would anyone in their right mind really shunpike using 1/9 other than between Exit 11 and 14?) -- NORTH talk 23:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

Trivia sections are largely frowned upon, and this one was entirely uncited. I've moved it here so that some of it might be salvaged. -- NORTH talk 22:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The Turnpike in popular culture and media

  • The Turnpike, along with the Garden State Parkway, are such heavily travelled through-roads and connect with so many other highways in the state, that upon learning a person is from New Jersey, a common joke response is "What exit?"
  • In the Chuck Berry song You Can't Catch Me (1956), the singer outruns the cops in his Cadillac on the New Jersey Turnpike.
Counting the cars on the New Jersey Turnpike
They've all come to look for America.
  • The 1970 song "Holland Tunnel" by John Phillips included the line: "Pick up a ticket for the New Jersey Turnpike and drive, baby, drive."
  • Bill Cosby references the eating of the New Jersey Turnpike by The Chicken Heart in his comedy album Wonderfulness.
  • Bruce Springsteen's album Nebraska (1982) contains the song "State Trooper", in which a traveller on the Turnpike, a desperate man who has committed unspecified crimes, prays that he won't be pulled over by the police. Another song from the same Springsteen album, the hallucinatory "Open All Night," also contains Turnpike images.
  • The Belgian band dEUS, in their 1996 song "Theme from Turnpike", also referenced the New Jersey Turnpike as an homage to Springsteen, repeating the first line from "State Trooper".
  • Bif Naked's song "Sophia" (1999) begins with the lyric "I picked you up on a grey day, the New Jersey Turnpike."
  • In the 1991 movie Nothing But Trouble, Chevy Chase, Demi Moore, and company, en route to Atlantic City from New York City, exit the Turnpike in hoping to view the countryside and subsequently wind up lost in a backwoods section of New Jersey. Passenger Bertila Damas suggests the unplanned exit because "this road is such a dull place." This route in itself is a mistake in the film's logic, as New York travelers wishing to go to Atlantic City would naturally transfer to the Garden State Parkway (which is closer to the coast than the Turnpike) long before reaching rural areas of New Jersey.
  • In the film Being John Malkovich (1999), after one becomes John Malkovich and then eventually leaves him, one falls out of the sky next to the New Jersey Turnpike. Scenes were filmed on the Holland Tunnel extension at Interchange 14C in Jersey City.
  • The opening to each episode of the HBO television series The Sopranos features main character Tony Soprano driving on the Turnpike.
  • The 1989 book Looking For America On The New Jersey Turnpike (ISBN 978-0-8135-1955-5), itself taking its title from the Simon and Garfunkel song, chronicles the history of "America's Main Road" and analyzes its place in American culture.
  • The New Jersey Turnpike drink was created as a joke about the highway. It consists of squeezing a rag that previously had been used to soak up spilled alcohol on the bar into a shot glass.
  • In the videogame, Earthbound, for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System, when you search the desk inside the house for sale in Onett town, you can find a joke story about a man making excuses to a police officer after being pulled over on the New Jersey Turnpike.
  • Alan Jackson's song "Where I Come From" makes reference to "Rollin' wheels and shifting gears 'round that Jersey Turnpike"

Error regarding I-95

As a NJ native who lives within three miles of Exit 2, and who commutes North on the NJTPK frequently, I'm sorry to report there is an error in this article. I-95 does not begin (yet) at northbound Exit 6. Perhaps it will after the I-95/PATPK interchange is complete in a few years. Presently, however, the Turnpike becomes I-95 only at Exit 10 in Edison. Between Exits 7A (I-195) and 10, there are numerous signs northbound stating "To I-95", but they don't change to simply "I-95" until Exit 10.

Officially, therefore, I-95 is disconnected from the US1 interchange in Lawrenceville, NJ (where the highway becomes I-295 South) to the NJTPK/I-287 interchange in Edison, NJ. Northbound travelers who wish to remain on limited access highways must take I-295 South 8 miles south to I-195 East, then I-195 7 miles East to the NJTPK interchange, and finally the NJTPK 28 miles North to Exit 10. Southbound travelers take this route in reverse. (Yes, it's faster and shorter to take the PATPK connector at Exit 6, making your way briefly through the streets of Bristol, PA to jump from the PATPK to I-95.) 71.125.129.29 23:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Please see the I-95 straight line diagram (3rd one down in "External links"), as well as this page. Officially, I-95 does end at the Pennsylvania state line on the Pennsylvania extension.
That being said, you may be correct that the statements in the article regarding signage are incorrect, as I've never seen any sources to confirm this. -- NORTH talk 23:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I-95 reassurance markers (without "To") are found on the Turnpike mainline according to this site. (See the 2nd, 7th, and 14th pictures on the left column). There is also supposedly one on the Pennsylvania extension. See also the left column near the bottom of this. --Polaron | Talk 15:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you much. -- NORTH talk 17:00, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

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Exit 8 Diagram

I wanted to bring up a concern about Image:Proposed int. 8 copy.jpg.I noticed that the drawing shows the interchange as a SPUI but all sources I can find say the interchange geometry has not yet been determined. Is there a source that confirms this as a SPUI? If not, perhaps it would be best to drop that image until the interchange geometry is finalized? --Clubjuggle 18:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Check out this pdf file...

http://www.njturnpikewidening.com/documents/NJTA_PIC_Brochure_091307.pdf

Page 7

Route 82 18:41, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Rest areas

One question that I often have about a rest areas: which exit is this rest area between. Could that info be added? Separating rest areas into 2 lists, "southbound" and "northbound", could also be useful. Even though the introduction talks about "The New Jersey Turnpike is noted for naming its rest areas after people who lived or worked in New Jersey", it could be confusing that these links go to pages about the individuals. Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 15:08, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Exit list still needs attention?

Looks fine to me, from what I can see. Is there a reason I'm missing as to why it needs attention? --Dbm11085 (talk) 02:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

There were a lot of inconsistencies with formatting. Some route names were spelled out, some weren't. Sometimes it was a hyphen before the cities, sometimes an en-dash. Sometimes a comma between routes, sometimes a slash. It has been fixed and untagged now. -- Kéiryn talk 04:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

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GA review

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
    Check image captions against MOS; sentences shouldn't end in periods, I believe. Check to see what the current policy on bolding in the Route description is. "aforementioned Alfred Joyce Kilmer" -- shorten to "Kilmer". Dates should be wikified accordingly. Prose needs some help; capitalization issues, nonencyclopedic phrases and instances of addressing the second person (you) are some of the problems. Remove the external link in the text. Don't bold text in the prose. (six) Any reason relocated is italicized?
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    The Route description is almost entirely uncited. "Contemporary New Jersey writers such as Calvin Trillin and Philip Roth have ruefully commented that they hope they do not get a rest stop named after them once they die." -- funny, but uncited. The History section is almost completely uncited. Every single bullet point in a Future section must be referenced to merit inclusion. The exit list is uncited, specifically opening dates. Is nycroads.com a reliable source?
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
    Define IBTTA. The History section doesn't read like one - it's way too broad with not enough dates as "anchor points" for the reader. If these dates are not available, this does not apply. History section needs more planning info - I can't imagine that they planned and then built a mile, and then took a look around, asking "Well, now what?" The History tends to read that way. "Pop culture references" is structured like a trivia section... it needs to be cited and perhaps rewritten into paragraph form.
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
    "Perhaps surprisingly, the Looking for America book describes the Edison, Lombardi, and Kilmer rest stops as possible hot spots for heterosexual, homosexual, and prostitution activities respectively." -- somewhat trivial, not cited, irrelevant and not measurable. "Even long-time local motorists frequently do not know who some of these people were, or in the case of Kilmer, even what gender they were. (Kilmer's full name is Alfred Joyce Kilmer.)" -- subjective, would remove. "A weird cloverleaf interchange would be built in lieu of a diamond interchange." -- weird is definitely POV.
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    Check Image:NJTP_Exit_8A.JPG. Image:NJTP_VMS.JPG - they have a message. Image:New_Jersey_Turnpike_Construction_1951_LOC.jpg may not be in the public domain; provide fair use rationale if it isn't. There are too many images... the interchange ones in particular interrupt the flow of the text.
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Article has some issues that need to be worked through. Good luck! —Rob (talk) 00:44, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Major Junctions

Before I added another junction, I wanted some input on this thought... I was thinking that Interstate 280 should be added since it is an interstate. What are peoples thoughts on this? I know that we should only have a maximum of 10 major JCT, but I'm wondering if 280 is left for a reason.
9:15 ET 30 October 2008 Mlaurenti

Actually, I'm not sure why it wasn't on there to begin with. Before we start adding NJ routes, shouldn't we follow the hierarchy of roads: 1.) Major Interstates (0's or 5's), 2.) 2-digit Interstates, 3.) All other interstates, 4.) Major US Routes (0's and 1's), 5.) 2-digit US Routes, 6.) All other US Routes, 7.) State Route Freeways, 8.) 2-digit state routes, 9.) All other state routes, 10.) anything left (county routes, trunk routes, etc.)? So, IMO, NJ 168, NJ 18, and NJ 495 should be canned in lieu of I-280, US 206, and US 322. Thoughts? EaglesFanInTampa 14:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, I'm not sure why NJ 168 is there. If I recall correctly, that exit isn't that heavily used (although I could be wrong). NJ 18 is important because it is one of the busiest exits on the turnpike. US 206 isn't that heavily traveled, as well as US 322.
I think the most heavily used interchanges and interstates (regardless of usage) should be in the JCT box. Routes 18 and 495 should really be there because a) there heavily used and b) they both lead to major points (18 to US 1 & New Brunswick - 495 to Lincoln Tunnel).
10:09 ET 03 November 2008 Mlaurenti

wide load on turn pike is it possible

there does not seem to be a lot of room between the toll booths can i get a 12 foot wide machine though —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.40.119 (talk) 01:14, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

What movie?

In the Pop Culture section, one of the entries is: "In the movie Harold and Kumar go to White Castle ...." What is the name of the movie? Eagle4000 (talk) 14:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

The name of the movie is Harold and Kumar go to White Castle. I've italicized the name in the article. Good catch! -Sme3 (talk) 15:01, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. You know your movies better than I do! Eagle4000 (talk) 21:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

link with no info

The following item under "External Links" takes you to a State of NJ webpage that says "no access": "An expanded view of road jurisdiction near the confluence of US 46, I-95 / NJTurnpike, I 280, NJ 7 and CR 508 in Kearny". Should the entry be removed? Eagle4000 (talk) 15:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I would think so. From that description, I can't figure out what the page should be telling me anyway. There are plenty of online and offline maps of the NJ Turnpike (and nearly everywhere else in the world), and I don't think one needs to be listed as an external link. -Sme3 (talk) 01:54, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Renumbering the exits on the New Jersey Turnpike

The exits will probably be renumbered on the New Jersey Turnpike. The reason that the exits would probably be renumbered are:

  • The MUTCD will require that exit numbers be mileage-based.
  • I-95 will be rerouted over the Pennsylvania Turnpike from the I-95 interchange with I-276 to the New Jersey state line, the Pennsylvania Extension of the New Jersey Turnpike, and the New Jersey Turnpike mainline north of the Pennsylvania Extension interchange.
  • Some of the interchanges were added after the construction of the New Jersey Turnpike, and currently carry suffixed exit numbers. With the change to mileage-based exit numbering, the exits would carry mileage-based numbers. With mileage-based numbering, almost all of the exits on the turnpike would receive new exit numbers. There would be no suffixed exit numbers with the switchover to mileage-based numbering, because most of the exits are more than one mile away from each other, and only one exit appears between each milepost (with exits on I-95 being numbered based on mileage along the future I-95 alignment).

Table of what the exit numbering might look like:

County Location Current Exit number Future Exit number Mile[1][2] Destinations Notes
Salem Pennsville Twp 0.00 I-295 / US 40 – Delaware Memorial Bridge Opened November 5, 1951
Carneys Point Township 1 1.12 US 40 / Route 140 / CR 540 – Penns Grove, Deepwater, Atlantic City
1 2 2.4 Exit 1 Toll Plaza (Delaware Memorial Bridge)
Gloucester Woolwich Township 2 12 12.8 US 322 / CR 536 – Swedesboro, Chester, Pennsylvania, Commodore Barry Bridge Opened November 5, 1951
Camden Boro of Runnemede 3 26 26.1 Route 168 to A.C. Expressway – Camden, Philadelphia, Woodbury Opened November 5, 1951
Burlington Mount Laurel Township 4 34 34.5 Route 73 – Camden, Philadelphia, Berlin Opened November 5, 1951
Westampton Township 5 44 44.1 CR 541 – Burlington, Mount Holly, Willingboro Opened November 5, 1951
Mansfield Township 6 51 51.0
P5.6
I-276 / US 130 – Florence, Pennsylvania Turnpike Opened May 25, 1956. Eastern terminus of Pennsylvania Extension.

Unsigned I-95.svg Interstate 95 south. Will be signed once upgrade work is completed. Turnpike will divide northbound, and merge southbound when reconstruction of turnpike is complete. The exit from I-95 northbound to southbound New Jersey Turnpike would be renumbered as exit 5.
(Inner roadway for cars only, outer roadway for cars-trucks-buses.)

Florence Twp (6A) 2 P2.6 US 130 – Burlington, Bordentown, Florence Opened May 25, 1956; partial exit was converted to a full exit in 1998-99. Toll plaza located at milepost P3.17 using Express EZ-Pass.
Bordentown Twp 7 7 53.3 US 206 – Bordentown, Trenton, Fort Dix, Hammonton Originally opened November 30, 1951; current ramps opened in 1990[3]
Mercer Robbinsville Township 7A 15 60.5 I-195 – Trenton, Shore Points, Six Flags Great Adventure Opened in the 1970s
East Windsor Township 8 22 67.6 Route 33 to Route 133 – Hightstown, Freehold, East Windsor Opened November 30, 1951
Middlesex Cranbury Twp 72.8 Turnpike divides northbound, merges southbound until reconstruction is complete.
(Inner roadway for cars only, outer roadway for cars-trucks-buses.)
Monroe Township 8A 28 73.9 Route 32 / CR 535 / CR 612 – Jamesburg, South Brunswick, Cranbury, Princeton Opened 1968
East Brunswick Township 9 38 83.4 Route 18 / US 1 / CR 527 – New Brunswick, East Brunswick, South River Opened November 30, 1951
Edison Township 10 42 88.1 I-287 / Route 440 / CR 514 – Perth Amboy, Metuchen, Edison, Outerbridge Crossing Originally opened November 30, 1951 to connect with the Garden State Parkway, rebuilt in 1966 to connect with Interstate 287 and Route 440
Woodbridge Township 11 45 91.0 US 9 / G.S. Parkway – Woodbridge, Shore Points Originally opened November 30, 1951 to connect with U.S. Route 9, rebuilt in 1966 to connect with the Garden State Parkway; No trucks allowed on Garden State Parkway
Boro of Carteret 12 50 95.9 CR 602 – Carteret, Rahway Opened December 12, 1951
Union City of Elizabeth 13 54 99.4 I-278 / Route 439 – Elizabeth, Goethals Bridge, Verrazano Bridge Opened December 12, 1951
13A 56 101.6 Route 81 – Elizabeth, Newark Airport, Elizabeth Seaport Opened in 1982
Essex City of Newark 14 59 104.7 I-78 / US 1-9 / US 22 – Newark Airport Opened December 12, 1951; western terminus of the Newark Bay Extension
Hudson City of Jersey City 14A 62 N3.5 Route 440 – Bayonne Opened April 4, 1956; on the Newark Bay Extension
14B 64A N5.5 Jersey City, Liberty State Park, Garfield Avenue, LSP Park and Ride Opened September 15, 1956; on the Newark Bay Extension
14C 64B N5.9 Holland Tunnel, Columbus Drive, Downtown Jersey City, Journal Square Opened September 15, 1956; on the Newark Bay Extension
Essex City of Newark 105.6 Car/truck lanes merge northbound, split southbound.
Eastern and western spurs split northbound, merge southbound.
15E 61 E106.9
US 1-9 Truck – Newark, Jersey City
Opened December 12, 1951; full interchange on the Eastern Spur, southbound exit and northbound entrance on the Western Spur
Hudson Town of Kearny 15W 63 E108.5
W108.8
I-280 – Newark, Kearny, The Oranges Opened January 1970; full interchange on the Western Spur, southbound exit and northbound entrance on the Eastern Spur
Town of Secaucus 15X 64 E110.8 Secaucus Junction, Secaucus Opened December 1, 2005; on the Eastern Spur
16E
18E
66 E112.3 Exit 16E/18E Toll Plaza (Lincoln Tunnel/George Washington Bridge)
17 67 E112.7 Route 3 / Route 495 – Lincoln Tunnel, Secaucus Opened January 15, 1952 as four ramps at Route 3. Southbound exit and northbound entrance only; exit tolled only for motorists going from Turnpike southbound to Route 495 eastbound. Route 495 westbound to Turnpike northbound is free
Bergen Boro of East Rutherford 16W 67 W112.7 Route 3 – Secaucus, Rutherford, Lincoln Tunnel, Meadowlands Sports Complex Opened January 1970; on the Western Spur
Boro of Carlstadt 18W 68 W113.8 Exit 18W Toll Plaza (George Washington Bridge)
Village of Ridgefield Park E117.2
W116.8
Eastern and Western Spurs merge northbound and split southbound.
Express and local lanes split northbound and merge southbound.
I-95 (NJ).svg Interstate 95 continues north to the George Washington Bridge, maintained by the New Jersey Turnpike Authority.

Notice the following about the new exit numbers:

  • The new exit numbers would be mileage-based.
  • The exit numbers on the Newark Bay extension would be a continuation of the exit numbers along I-78. This is because the Newark Bay extension is part of I-78, and the exit numbers along this section should be based on I-78 mileage.
  • The exit numbers on the Pennsylvania Extension and the mainline north of the Pennsylvania Extension interchange would be mileage-based, from the Pennsylvania state line, based on I-95 mileage along the future I-95 alignment. The reasons for numbering the exits in this manner are:
    • This part of the New Jersey Turnpike currently is part of or will be part of I-95.
    • According to the MUTCD, exit numbers should be calculated based on I-95 mileage along the Pennsylvania Extension and the mainline north of the Pennsylvania Extension interchange.
    • There is an exit on the Pennsylvania Extension between the Pennsylvania state line and the New Jersey Turnpike mainline.
  • The exit numbers on the mainline south of the Pennsylvania Extension interchange, and the exit from the mainline to the Pennsylvania extension would receive mileage-based exit numbers relative to the southern terminus of the New Jersey Turnpike.
  • The exit from I-95 northbound to the southbound New Jersey Turnpike mainline at the Pennsylvania Extension would be numbered Exit 5.
  • The list shown here is based on the MUTCD standard mileage-based numbering scheme, and is not the official list published by the New Jersey Turnpike Authority. The actual mileage-based exit numbers used might be different, especially if the New Jersey Turnpike Authority decides to use a different numbering scheme from the one illustrated here.

Jplatts (talk) 14:37, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Nice work! Suggest we wait on an official announcement though. It strikes me that the numbering system is so much a part of New Jersey culture (so to speak) that the state might seek a waiver.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:46, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
That's some mighty fine OR, with no sources whatsoever. Not only doesn't it belong in the article, it doesn't belong here per WP:NOTAFORUM.oknazevad (talk) 23:05, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

"Turnpike" name

It would help to know why it is called a "turnpike". —Preceding unsigned comment added by BrianAlex (talkcontribs) 14:39, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

See Turnpike; it's a classic term for a toll road. oknazevad (talk) 23:05, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
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