Talk:New River (Kanawha River tributary)

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Seems like this page would be better titled something like "New River (Kanawha River)", rather than "New River (West Virginia)", since the New River flows through Virginia and North Carolina in addition to West Virginia. Also it is by far the main tributary of the Kanawha River; I've often seen the two called the Kanawha-New River (akin to the Mississippi-Missouri River). If no one objects, I'll change the name in a week or a month, when I have the time (or remember!). Pfly 06:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

The river is never a class VI even well above commercially legal levels, so I changed that.--Rebel1916 (talk) 11:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

"Oldest river in America"[edit]

I tagged the remark about "some geologists" with a [who?] warning. It's OK to describe the local folklore about the New River being older than the mountains and second only to the Nile in age. I heard all about that when I visited the area in 1993. (I love this legend, by the way, and honestly hope that it turns out to be true.) But the part about actual geologists raising this hypothesis should not be mentioned in the article as though it were not part of the local folklore narrative, too. Without a citation from a published source (preferably a peer-reviewed geology journal) the "some geologists" bit is simply part of the legend itself. Bridgman (talk) 03:51, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

The associated link to "Second oldest river" designates the New River as, in fact, the third oldest - behind the Meuse and the Yangtze. The article also says it is second oldest, while the Nile is the oldest. So, there is evident inconsistency between pages. Please fix! Or I'll default to the "oldest rivers" article and change the New River article accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.91.28 (talk) 20:00, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

"Only nontidal river that crosses the Appalachian Mountains" seems to infer that it goes all the way across the Appalachian Mountains. This would mean that it crosses the Eastern Continental Divide. The New River is entirely West of the Eastern Continental Divide. The Eastern Continental Divide follows the crest of the Blue Ridge Mountains, which is the highest range of the Appalachian Mountains. The New River does not cross the Blue Ridge Mountains and therefore does not go all the way across the Appalachian Mountains. The New River may cross some mountain ranges that are on the Appalachian Plateau, but it does not cross "The Appalachian Mountains". By definition, the Eastern Continental Divide follows the "Appalachian Crest" from Potter County, Pennsylvania to Florida. Therefore no naturally flowing river,tidal, or non-tidal, could possibly cross the "Appalachian Crest" between Potter County, Pennsylvania and Florida. This article's statement that the New river "flows across the Blue Ridge Mountains" should be changed to "flows from the Blue Ridge Mountains" or "flows along the Blue Ridge Mountains". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Welkiner (talkcontribs) 06:03, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Article name[edit]

The New River is only named the "New River". In North Carolina and Virginia, at least, it is not known as, nor associated in any way with, the Kanawha River. The Kanawha River is a separate river for which the New River is a major tributary, but they are distinctly named rivers. The Kanawha River is a tributary to the Ohio River, yet it is not named "The Kanawha River (Ohio River)". I will be changing the name to "New River", as that is the one and only name of the river, in the near future, unless anyone has any commentary justifying the existing strange naming convention for this article. --Dan East (talk) 19:42, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

The qualifier (Kanawha River) is there because it's necessary to disambiguate this article from the articles about the various other rivers named New River. It's a common practice on Wikipedia to disambiguate rivers using the names of the rivers they flow into; there are some other examples on the New River page I linked above. Personally I don't think "(Kanawha River)" is necessarily the best or clearest disambiguator in this case — I think the meaning of "(Kanawha River tributary)" or "(North Carolina to West Virginia)" would be clearer — but some form of disambiguation is necessary. --TimK MSI (talk) 19:58, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. Looking at all the other New Rivers in Wikipedia, this New River, at 320 miles in length, is literally longer than all of the others combined. It also spans 3 states. At which point is a river (or other geologic entity) large enough to the *the* named item of that type? --Dan East (talk) 21:21, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Personally I don't think it merits primary topic treatment, but requested moves would probably be the best place to find out if there's a consensus one way or the other. --TimK MSI (talk) 21:53, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Oppose move. New River points to a rather lengthy disambig page and it's not clear why this New River, although perhaps the best known, should be favored over the two dozen or so other new rivers. The current Kanawha River nomenclature is clear about which New River this is, and there's already another New River in North Carolina so I think it'd be best to keep North Carolina out of the title. Bitmapped (talk) 04:13, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

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