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God Save the Queen audio file[edit]

Our general policy framework is that we need consensus in making changes in articles that we edit. And we have responsibility to be factual of the changes that we've made, regardless of how large or small revision it is. We do not include or exclude items and files because of their unpopularity but rather the facts behind them.

God Save the Queen is one of the national anthem of New Zealand. It was adopted in 1840 when it was a British colony. New Zealand adopted God defend New Zealand as a new national anthem in 1977, but place God Save the queen on equal standing with it. The government recognises the anthem and included it in protocols.

This reason is suffice for the audio file of the anthem to be added to the article.

  • Ministry for Culture and Heritage recognise it as one of the New Zealand's two anthems with equal standing. [1]

--Miramax110599 (talk) 14:22, 22 November 2020 (UTC)-

I suppose I don't follow the logic that we are required to have two audio files simply because the two anthems are de jure equal in status. Editorial decisions and stylistic choices on Wikipedia do not have to be determined by the legal status of anthems in New Zealand law. The choice to include only one audio file is because two files is gratuitous clutter, which detracts from the purpose of the infobox: being to present the most relevant information in a clear and concise way. And yes, "God Save the Queen" may be an equal anthem but it is barely used apart from royal and military events.[2] I think that a second audio file implies that "God Save the Queen" is used more prominently than it actually is. The first consideration, reducing clutter, is the most pressing one, IMO. There is nothing in the MOS that states that the infobox must have audio files for anthems. Personally, I would prefer no audio files if the other option is two files.
For what it's worth, I have been very attentive to acknowledging that NZ has two anthems; a while ago I expanded the National anthems of New Zealand article and found a source for the "equal status" claim. I don't have an agenda. --Hazhk (talk) 16:48, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Hazhk above that while listing the anthem is appropriate the audio file is easily available on the linked page adds nothing but clutter to this particlar page. I also believe this basically follows the guidance given at WP:SAMPLE. Andrewgprout (talk) 05:08, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
How does not including God Save the Queen conform with WP:SAMPLE where it talks mainly about copyright for music? Please cite an example wherein a country has officially 2 anthems but only puts one music file? Denmark has 2 music files, Nazi Germany has 2 music files, both of them have equal statutory law for both anthems so I think that removing the file is pretty unnecessary. I will be re-adding the file since it has been there for a long time now, unless a formal RFC discussion is started, then I think it should remain. PyroFloe (talk) 02:20, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Merge discussion ongoing[edit]

Please participate in a merge discussion about New Zealand that may affect the page here, thanks. Best regards, PyroFloe (talk) 02:26, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Adding 1-2 sentences about climate change?[edit]

Would people be open to the idea of adding 1-2 sentences about climate change in New Zealand into this article, including a wikilink to climate change in New Zealand? It could say something about greenhouse gas emissions per capita, Paris agreement, sea level rise, impacts on people. EMsmile (talk) 12:56, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

New Zealand is a federal monarchy[edit]

Prove that New Zealand is a federal monarchy due to North Island and South Island. Cyberllamamusic (talk) 14:26, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Please see Local government in New Zealand. CMD (talk) 14:36, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Do you see anything in the definition of a federal government that describes it as "any country consisting of two islands"? Largoplazo (talk) 14:56, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi Cyberllamamusic. As a New Zealander, I don't know where you get your ideas about NZ being a federal state. Before you try and insert 'federal' in the NZ article again, it would be helpful if you can quote some reliable sources to justify your assertion. Murray Langton (talk) 19:05, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
A federation is a country that derives its power from its constituent states, such as the United States and Australia. New Zealand is a unitary state; the central government doesn't derive its power from the state governments of the North and South Islands, because they have no governments.Lcmortensen (mailbox) 22:18, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

(mailbox) CMD PROOF! https://teara.govt.nz/en/nation-and-government/page-2 look at the A unitary state section Cyberllamamusic (talk) 17:26, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I have looked at the section you reference. In particular: "Since then {1876}, New Zealand has had a unitary system of government". How does this make it a 'federal' system? Murray Langton (talk) 20:13, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I hope that in the future New Zealand will be absorbed by Australia bu reducing new Zealand to the 7th state of Australia Cyberllamamusic (talk) 17:26, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I apologize you Chipmunk Davis I hope there's no trouble away in later times okay?