Talk:New Zealand National Party

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"Right wing"?[edit]

Is the characterization of the party as right wing appropriate? john k 03:42, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Well, "right wing" is always a contestable term, but is there any specific point that makes you question the designation? The party generally favours things such as reduced taxation, privatisation of state assets, and free trade, and is usually conservative in its social policy (opposing "political correctness", attacking the NZ version of affirmative action, etc). In New Zealand, at least, these things are generally considered to be right-wing rather than left-wing. The party is widely referred to as "right" or "centre-right" in New Zealand, both by politicians and by commentators. - Vardion 04:33, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

"Right" and "centre-right" seem fine to me - I was certainly not disputing that the National Party is the main party of the right, or of the centre-right, in New Zealand. But I tend to think that "right-wing" and "left-wing" should be reserved for parties that are actually out on the wings. For instance, in France, I'd say that only the Trots and the Communists should be described as "left wing", and only Le Pen, et al, as "right wing". The socialists are on the left and the Gaullists on the right, but the "wing" term implies a degree of extremism, I think. john k 05:09, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Ah, I see what you mean. I think the New Zealand usage might be a bit different, but there's certainly no problem referring to it as "centre-right" rather than "right-wing" if that makes things clearer. I've reworked the article accordingly - does that seem suitable? -- Vardion 07:46, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I would point out that at an internal National Party meeting not long ago, Chris Findlayson (who is a new MP for National, but a long established member and activist) was happy to describe National as liberal-conservative, reflecting the fact that while National's roots are conservative, the understanding of conservatism in New Zealand is more liberal than the political application of conservatism in other nations. [[User:Barzini|Barzini}} 11:05, 24 Mar 2006

I would add the when you look at the historic roots of the party, National is a coalition of the two anti-socialist parties, one representing the urban liberal/bourgeoise, the other the rural conservatives. --Midnighttonight 00:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
An objective analysis of where political parties in NZ sit is not necessary a reflection of how they describe themselves. Labour is actually more centre-right than centre-left, but that isn't a familiar designation for the party. National does not sit in the centre-right of the political compass, but further out: http://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2011 121.73.7.84 (talk) 22:55, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

"Centre-right"? Hardly. https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2014 If this page is to be believed, National is far right, especially given its activities over the past three terms, since 2006. It would also be a good idea to update most of the NZ political parties, not just National. Although Labour might like to believe itself as centre-left, it's more centre-right, with National far right.

If you're going to suggest Labour is centre-left, you would end up with the Conservatives being centre-right, and I'm not sure that would be agreed on. --Tayruu (talk) 06:17, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Liberal Conservative?[edit]

Considering the amount of changes to welfare including, free fruit, free milk, and now the proposals for free breakfasts in decile schools. Shouldn't it be appropriate to label the National Party as "Liberal Conservative"? --122.62.77.250 08:05, 16 May 2017‎

Are there any reliable sources which label the party "liberal conservative"? --Hazhk (talk) 15:33, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Many sources indicate that the National Party is Liberal Conservative, such as the implementation of socially liberal policies. Along with increasing funding for state healthcare. Both Classical Liberalism and Liberal Conservative fit the policies that have been implemented. But its hardly Classically Liberal, in the traditional sense. --Walkerbull 01:22, 17 May 2017‎
Also, you are using a very old source. --122.62.77.250 11:27, 17 May 2017‎