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A very good article, most impressive. ping 07:01, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Agreed. Moriori 07:13, Nov 18, 2003 (UTC)

Merge columns in table?[edit]

I propose that the "Liberal" and "Reform" columns should be merged from 1931 onwards and the "National" column moved underneath to reflect the fact that National was a merger of these two parties... it seems to me to be slightly misleading at the moment. Here's a test table, comments and suggestions please! porge 21:39, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Election Date(s) Official turnout Total seats Liberals Reform Labour Other
(National)
1853 general election 4 Jul - 1 Oct Unrecorded 37 - - - 37
1855 general election 28 Oct - 28 Dec Unrecorded 37 - - - 37
1860-1861 general election 12 Dec - 28 Mar Unrecorded 53 - - - 53
1866 general election 12 Feb - 6 Apr Unrecorded 70 - - - 70
1871 general election 14 Jan - 23 Feb Unrecorded 78 - - - 78
1875-1876 general election 20 Dec - 29 Jan Unrecorded 88 - - - 88
1879 general election 28 Aug - 15 Sep 66.5% 88 - - - 88
1881 general election 9 December 66.5% 95 - - - 95
1884 general election 22 June 60.6% 95 - - - 95
1887 general election 26 September 67.1% 95 - - - 95
1890 general election 5 December 80.4% 74 - - - 74
1893 general election 28 November 75.3% 74 51 - - 23
1896 general election 4 December 76.1% 74 39 - - 35
1899 general election 6 December 77.6% 74 49 - - 25
1902 general election 25 November 76.7% 80 47 - - 33
1905 general election 6 December 83.3% 80 58 - - 22
1908 general election 17 Nov, 24 Nov, 1 Dec 79.8% 80 50 - - 30
1911 general election 7 Dec, 14 Dec 83.5% 80 33 37 - 10
1914 general election 10 December 84.7% 80 33 41 - 6
1919 general election 17 December 80.5% 80 21 47 8 4
1922 general election 7 December 88.7% 80 22 37 17 4
1925 general election 4 November 90.9% 80 11 55 12 2
1928 general election 14 November 88.1% 80 27 27 19 7
1931 general election 2 December 83.3% 80 51 24 5
1935 general election 27 November 90.8% 80 19 55 6
1938 general election 15 October 92.9% 80 25 53 2
1943 general election 25 September 82.8% 80 34 45 1
1946 general election 24 November 93.5% 80 38 42 0
1949 general election 30 November 93.5% 80 46 34 0
1951 general election 27 December 89.1% 80 50 30 0
1954 general election 13 November 91.4% 80 45 35 0
1957 general election 30 November 92.9% 80 39 41 0
1960 general election 26 November 89.8% 80 46 34 0
1963 general election 30 November 89.6% 80 45 35 0
1966 general election 26 November 86.0% 80 44 35 1
1969 general election 29 November 88.9% 84 45 39 0
1972 general election 25 November 89.1% 87 32 55 0
1975 general election 29 November 82.5% 87 55 32 0
1978 general election 25 November 69.2% 92 51 40 1
1981 general election 28 November 91.4% 92 47 43 2
1984 general election 14 July 93.7% 95 37 56 2
1987 general election 15 August 89.1% 97 40 57 0
1990 general election 27 October 85.2% 97 67 29 1
1993 general election 6 November 85.2% 99 50 45 4
1996 general election 12 October 88.3% 120 44 37 39
1999 general election 27 November 84.1% 120 39 49 32
2002 general election 27 July 77.0% 120 27 52 41

I wouldn't object to such a change, I think. I would suggest a minor format change for the headers (which I've experimentally made to the table here), but the change seems to make sense. It does make it clearer that National is a continuation of Reform and the Liberals, certainly. -- Vardion 02:19, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

As there have been no objections, I have implemented this new version of the table porge 10:54, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The only problem is that Liberal and Reform didn't merge into being National until 1936. There was an agreement not to stand against each other from 1931 (and they were in government together), but they were not the same party. Can this please be fixed or noted? --Gregstephens 01:25, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A potential difficulty here is the working out exactly which candidates were United and which were Reform. As you say, they didn't stand candidates against each other, and in many tallies, candidates from both parties were simply categorised as "Coalition". The only tallies I've been able to find which divide the Coalition into United and Liberal candidates are rather unreliable, and tend disagree with each other. My preference would actually be to do something like this (table cut short for brevity, of course):
Election Date(s) Official turnout Total seats Liberals Reform Labour Other
(National)
1922 general election 7 December 88.7% 80 22 37 17 4
1925 general election 4 November 90.9% 80 11 55 12 2
1928 general election 14 November 88.1% 80 27 27 19 7
1931 general election 2 December 83.3% 80 X Y 24 5
1935 general election 27 November 90.8% 80 19 55 6
1938 general election 15 October 92.9% 80 25 53 2
1943 general election 25 September 82.8% 80 34 45 1
... but that requires reliable statistics about the actual results, which I haven't yet been able to find. (As I say, the statistics I have found are contradictory, and the official election results from that period did not record party affiliations.)
So basically, I agree with your point, but my preferred solution to the problem is problematic. (Unless you happen to have some statistics, that is.) -- Vardion 02:53, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)


No I can't find any stats which lists them seperately, prehaps then a footnote? --Gregstephens 03:52, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I think I've finally sorted out who belonged to what party. (The issue of independents was confusing the matter — coalition-aligned independents seem to have been variously counted as "Coalition", "Independent", "Independent Coalition", "Independent United", "Independent Reform", and "Independent Coalition United"). Anyway, I've modified the table accordingly. Does that look suitable? -- Vardion 03:16, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
Looks good, but add a footnote to the table to explain why it is formatted in this way. :) porges 03:36, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
Done. -- Vardion 04:04, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Moving[edit]

I propose we move the page to Elections in New Zealand to bring it into line with the other politics of New Zealand articles, as well as the Category:Elections in New Zealand. Evil MonkeyHello 07:16, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

support please do so. --LeftyG 00:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Overseas vote[edit]

Does anyone know when the overseas vote was first introduced? --130.195.86.37 00:31, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

1935 election[edit]

On New Zealand general election 1935 it states that the United/Reform coalition had 19 seats. Yet, the current version of this page has 7seats and 9seats. Which is 16. A previous version [1] has 7 seats and 10seats. Which is 17. Something, somewhere is wrong. They all have Labour on 53, and other parties holding 10. So I presume that 17 is thus correct, given that Parliament was 80 seats. I am thus changing it back to 7 and 10 on this page and will do so on the 1935 page as well. --LeftyG 23:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

There's a lot of confusion surrounding this issue, made worse by the fact that party allegiences were somewhat fluid at the time. But I believe the 25th New Zealand Parliament article, which I've just addressed, has the correct figures — 9 members of Reform, 7 members of United, plus three independents who were aligned with the coalition but not actually members of either party. (ie, the coalition was actually Reform + United + independents, not just Reform + United). That gives the required total of 19. -- Vardion 00:39, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Something still needs to change as it adds up to 81 seats not 80. --LeftyG 23:14, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Which does? The way I count it, we've got 53 Labour + 9 Reform + 7 United + 2 Country + 2 Ratana + 7 Independents (3 supporting the coalition, 4 not). Doesn't that add up to 80? I think if we update the various pages to match the 25th Parliament page, it'll all work out correctly. -- Vardion 23:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay, my maths obviously isn't as good as it was, or my cache is screwing with me.--LeftyG 00:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I've been having some cache issues as well — it's probably that. I've fixed the figures on New Zealand elections and New Zealand general election 1935. -- Vardion 01:14, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Electoral System[edit]

This article doesn't really go into detail about the system itself such as the thresholds, the use of Sainte-Lague, and so forth. I will write this if it is wanted (by other people). Just where about in the article? Or should I set up a new article (Electoral system of New Zealand)? --GeLuxe 02:48, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think it would probably be best to put the more technical aspects in a separate article — particularly as this article covers the whole history of New Zealand elections, rather than just the system used today. This article summarises and links all elections, while a description of the current MMP system would only be applicable to the most recent ones. It would be good to have, though. -- Vardion 22:04, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

History of the vote[edit]

The History of the vote section is quite long, how about moving it to its own page? That way it could be in both the NZ election stuff and the NZ history stuff. Thoughts? I'll leave this for a few days before I do anything. --Midnighttonight 03:12, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Done. See History of voting in New Zealand. Alan Liefting 20:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Timing of elections[edit]

I have rewritten to reflect the fact that the PM's ability to determine the election date is open to abuse, and is not the norm internationally. I think there is a law saying that elections have to occur within a certain period of time after the previous one (three and a bit years, presumably), which is the main reason why there hasn't been a late election since WWII. I will try and find out about this, but if anyone knows off the top of their head, could they make an edit reflecting this?

I will also edit the electorates section to acknowledge the existence of list seats. --Helenalex 06:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

The ability of the PM to call an early election may not be the norm internationally, but in Britain I think it is unusual to go the full term of 5 years, unlike here where an early election is still the exception (though there have been some of course) Hugo999 01:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Byelection Page[edit]

How about a line on the general elections / referenda portal / box to go to "Byelections in NZ" - the results of them and hence the Byelection page is more important than the various referenda Hugo999 01:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Not all by-elections are important, but I agree anyway. --Helenalex 22:44, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Move[edit]

So, this page has been randomly moved. Do we move it back, or do we fix the spelling and then hunt down all the pages linking to it? IdiotSavant (talk) 00:34, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I think the current title ("elections in New Zealand") is better, as it's the standard title for such pages. —Nightstallion 23:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I think you're right, but it would have been nice to have some discussion first. I guess we should just try cleaning up after it. IdiotSavant (talk) 01:25, 2 May 2008 (UTC)