# Talk:Newbie/Archive1

## Good Job

I actually remembered I wanted to "Nominate for Deletion" this article (since I knew that tag would come off within 1 day) but it looks like my initial protest actually paid off. The article is actually decent now... it won't stay that way for too long... but it's good to know there are actually people who will tollerate the "noobs" who persist in making such articles.

Although the consenus was to keep the article, I propose that the article be transfered to wikionary since it is more of a definition than a history. (Now this WILL be blocked since no one knows of wikionary).

To the people who worked on bringing it down to its more glorified state, I thank you... I didn't believe there were people who had the willpower to tame an uncontrolled article. I certainly will never try again... Wikipedia is just too flawed to debate technicalities. BRIANNA BASTA IS A N00B 64.238.179.195 19:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Any honestly guys, if you didn't know what a noob was before this article, you're "straight up nub." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.63.107 (talk) 14:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

-Real Origin of the word Newb-

The word Newb has been used at St. Paul's School in Concord, New Hampshire for probably over 50 years. It started as a shortening of 'New Boy', meaning a 7th grader new to the then-all male student population. I have not heard of similar terms being used at any other school for that long. Recently the term has taken on some derisive overtones, to describe a behavior (newbly) unbecoming of a non-newb. Sorry to spoil the party for all you geeks out there... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.42.104 (talk) 00:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

## Delete This

Interchanging 'noob' with 'newbie' but includes the "newb vs noob" argument meaning that there are several points in the article. In addition, interchanging is a 'bad' practice and the article should reflect the more 'popular' spelling (in this case, since the article is called "newbie" it all instances of noob should be replaced with "newbie". But even then, the internal debate over noob vs newbie isn't entirely resolve in article, as the term 'more' means an incomplete transformation. In addition to the fact that it is groundless information.

Massive amounts of POV information (Use of conditional terms like "may" is indicative of POV).

Reference of what is termed "leet" by wikipedia as "noob speak" resulting in conflicting articles and invalidity of the information. In order to revalidate this, the examples would have to reflect not the manner in which the content is spoken but the content it self.

Not a single valid reference. A book search is just a book search, it will not validate any information within the article. A comic is an invalid reference source, website entitled "newbie.org" would host POV inflicted information, and urbandict is a wiki and thus, invalid.

Self contradiction of the content within, highly noticeable with "Newbie vs Noob" and "froobie"

A Section of the article is prejudice against noobs and features stereotyped information.

And on a whole... this is a VERY bad articleMerranvo 22:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, but I think this article should be torn appart and made into a modest and verifiable article instead of deleted. Cool Hand Luke 17:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Luke - that's exactly what happened to the 2000s article, full of largely unverifiable, muddled information, that was all removed and the article reduced into something short. I think we should do the same here.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 09:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
We should not delete this article - what we should do is reduce it to a stub, possibly just the first paragraph, and clean that up too.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 11:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I say this topic is too notable to be deleted. I have seen this article link from other websites several times. Due to this, and reasons reguarding the need of such a notice (too obstructive), I'm going to remove the tag. --hello, i'm a NOOBmember]] | talk to me! 01:11, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

As said on deletion notice

Overall a very bad article for reasons listed in the talk section. Over this past week, wikipedian editors have added redundant additions without fixing current issues (and recently added an ad hominem attack). This article either needs to be torn limb from limb, reducing it to a definition (in addition to the removal of slang terminology (should be in association with "noob" not "newbie")) and historical usages. Of course, no one wants this...

--hello, i'm a NOOBmember]] | talk to me! 01:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to add my voice to others and say "mend it, don't end it" -- let's try to fix this. My reasoning is also similar: I'm here because I didn't know what a noob is. I'm am improved as a person because this article is here, even with it's flaws (ok, that's a bit over the top but it's true even if overstated). Davemenc 01:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd say we create a 'noob' article and leave this alone while deleting what is a noob. Generally, a newbie is someone who is new. Noobs are generally annoying idiots. NEWBIE IS NOT A DAMN INSULT FOR GODDAMNED 99% of INTERNET CHATTING. Anyway, this is a bad article, considering it needs words like 'generally'... --121.6.128.171 14:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

## Not true at all

"In World of Warcraft and most MMORPG's saying any variant of "noob" will earn the speaker an account ban. If it is said multiple times on multiple accounts on the same IP, the speaker will get an IP ban."

That is 100% Manwich.

``` agreed, removing it

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No it comes from the word "newcomer". Well "Alabama black snake" to be exact. --puppy441 - (lvl 80)OnRS 14:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

"In the internet RPG; runescape the term noob is used for a new player (lvl 3) or someone who is cocky, annoying or bigheaded or has a low total level. " This is retarded. Noob there is used anytime and for anything Someone who is good and has social skills and above-average levels does not mean that 95% of the RS populace won't call him a noob. Admit it, RS' community sucks so much you're a noob for even standing there.

123:How are you? 345:Noob

23:Rofl you nub level 3 in fishing guild! 466:OMG NOOB!

Seriously, I want to kill the person who wrote that...

It is NOT even original research, it is pure idiocy.--121.6.128.171 14:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

## Noobs in gaming

Alot of the complaints included in the "Noobs in internet gaming section" aren't so much noob behavior as they are just plain asshole behavior. I agree on the stuff about noobs not knowing how to play, but screaming into the voice enabled games really isn't a noob characteristic so much as an asshole characteristic. And the part about taking advantage of cheats or bugs...newbs tend to not know nearly enough about the game to take advantage of a bug in the game. That is in direct contrast with just about every other complaint listed. There is also the section about poor sportsmanship; alot of professional sports players have terribly poor sportsmanship but all the same are far from being a noob. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.33.136.81 (talk) 15:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC).

## does not always mean new player!!!!!

The term noob does not always mean a new player in runescape, for instance it has just meant to mean a universal negative term for someone. For instance many people are called noobs if they are beggars, hackars or scammers.

also the terms newb, noob, and froob are different

newb means new player. noob means that they are not noob yet act like a newb. froob means that there a freacking noob, fcking noob, or freebie noob Conspiricy2 14:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)conspiricy2

Sorry, meanings differ for almost everyone, thanks... And everyone can be called a noob, for whatever reason.121.6.128.171 14:27, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Newbie is for newcomers as Noobie is for new comers who are assholes.

Agreed, like in Halo noob means basically means an unskilled player who resorts to low tactics for a win. Such as, Killing there own team our in a game of capture ther flag, killing the flag carrier for there team so they can score. Skaterchild3 20:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Skaterchild3. A noob can also refer to a person (even someone who has been playing for a long time) who resorts to idiotic or low tactics. Besides halo, noobs can be in almost any game. In smash bros melee, a person is a noob if they believe that they are the best person in the game and they only resort to using only smash attacks or battling level 9's and not normal people. Otherwise a "noob". can also be a "noob" character. A character in a game that is really cheap is a "noob" character. This is for every character in games that everyone uses or a very cheap glitch or strategy that everyone uses. For example, many people spam smashes in the original Smash Bros online. The character is overpowered and many people use him. Kirby is a "noob" character. KoRoBeNiKi 25 October 2007 (UTC)

## This does have important info though

Newbie and Noob are both hot words on many Internet games and in chat rooms right now, and let's face it, if someone has been dubbed one of the above, I would like to see them use Wikipedia to realize a mistake and not become especially the latter. So you really cannot delete this entry ... just clean it up and keep it simple. However, the little examples of "noob speak" are totally inappropriate. Also, I think for the ease of reading the article itself, it would be better to move all other terms for newbie and noob to a list or table at the bottom of the page. Personally I did not know about the military usages (prior to online usage) so maybe that could go above all the arguing about individual usages in online games, etc. Like it or not, this has become part of our culture and yes, there are people who will come here earnestly wanting to learn about newbies and noobs ...~ ica616, dated 2/21/07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by ica616 (talkcontribs)

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. -- KirinX 15:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

## Too many tags!

At my count, this article has 6 unflattering tags attached to it. Folks, its an article about a word in Internet culture. It can't be held to the same encylcopedic standard of perfection as an article about, say, oxygen. Are ALL of these tags, it has unverified claims, it isn't professional, yatta yatta yatta, really necessary? Sloverlord 21:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

This article, like any Wikipedia article, should be held to the same encyclopedic standard. The amount of cleanup-related tags simply shows just how often trash info is added to this article, and just how little information should be in this article once it is properly dealt with by some brave soul. -- KirinX 05:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm surprised there isn't a tag which says "This article has too many unflattering tags"... Bill D 23:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Dangit, you beat me to that one, Bill. (Uncyclopedia has naturally filled the void left by the absence of a "too many templates" template. Wait, what? Never mind.) — Lenoxus 04:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Is there a discussion about what standards are appropriate in an online encyclopedia somewhere? I feel frustrated that we have a COMPLETELY new thing here that is trying to adhere to academic standards appropriate to the last century. Granted, we need SOME standards. But can we adjust them to fit the circumstances? The word "noob" (or "newb" or "newbie" or whatever) is a case in point. Where are you going to find a PHD discussing this subject in published work -- and would we care what he thought if he did!? Geez! :) Davemenc 00:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, established references don't have to be by a PhD — a magazine would do just fine. Did Wired, for example, ever do anything on this? ${\displaystyle \sim }$ Lenoxus " * " 01:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

## Encyclopædic tone

I really am not up to completely fixing this myself, I will admit, but I really think this article lacks an encyclopædic tone throughout most of the text. There are far too many examples, and not enough information on things like its significance as a term. Many of these examples are provided to explain trivial concepts. For instance, the RuneScape example could easily be restated in a more suitable manner as something like "higher-level characters often call those at lower levels noob." That said, I think it rather silly to add yet another tag to the vast array already present, especially considering that these templates were not made with the idea that they should cover the first screen rendered. In the intrest of sanity, could we clip a few of them, or at least defer their presence until more important ones (like NPOV) are resolved? Falcon 05:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

## Large edit

I removed the social rejection/acceptance and newb vs noob topics and added a usage topic. the original paragraphs are in comments if anyone wants to use them. DYE_Slayer 06:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

## Should Noob have it's own article?

The distinctions among noob, newbie (which I believe has the same meaning as "newb") and froob can best be made clear by having separate pages for them.

I should note that I'm no expert in Wikipedia rules (although I'm gradually educating myself) so please feel free to set me straight if you disagree.

Davemenc 01:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

While I understand that this is a concern, many of the variations are used interchangeably by different people, so I can't see the differentiation being useful. It would also be a problem given the way that people post their variations on the word in the article so often - if we then had 2-4 articles to maintain rather than one, this would make it more difficult. There's no problem with the Wikipedia rules (by the way, WP:IAR), but I think that this has a certain potential to be counterproductive if implemented. Nihiltres 15:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

## N00b

I'm on a website where both the words Newbie and N00b are used.

N00b(also knwon as noob/boon=noob spelled backwards to get past chat blocks)-A person that is not a newb yet act like a newb.

Newbie-A new person.

BIG diffrence.

There really should be some explanation of the difference in useage between a "newb" and a "n00b". The term "newb" is typically used as a polite way to describe an individual that is new to a scene and willing to be taught, whereas, a "n00b" is purely a derogatory term, popularly used to describe a person that is obnoxiously ignorant and unwilling to change. The "newb" is the guy that makes a mistake and screws up your game once. The "n00b" is that idiot that makes the same mistake over and over again, and gets angry at everyone else on the team for his own doing. VanGarrett 18:11, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

## Urban Dictionary

Anyone have an idea on how reliable that site is? FMF|contact 23:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Extremely unreliable. Like Wikipedia it relies on users to submit data. It doesn't take long to realise that despite people's criticisms of Wikipedia, Urban Dictionary has far, far less accuracy.GrantRS 12:53, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

## Commented-out section moved from article

Section was hidden with comment "this seems to not fit with the article". I agree, and per comments further up the page think the article would be best off reduced in size and rewritten. This section is unacceptable, and I think could easily go completely, so I've taken it out. Given that it was hidden from view already, I haven't substantially altered the article as it appears to readers, so I don't think this is too big a step – Qxz 21:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

### Noobs in Internet gaming

{{Unreferenced|date=February 2007}}

In gaming, the following behavior is usually associated with noobs.

• Not knowing what a noob is.
• Going online without playing through the game's tutorial and annoying the other players by continually asking questions on how to play.
• Poor sportsmanship: noobs might communicate explicit/racial/prejudicial comments to the victorious parties, in situations where the newbies win. Blame might be redirected to an external phenomenon, such as a latency (a.k.a. lag) spike. Other poor unsportsmanship actions include disconnecting in a game once victory is deemed impossible (albeit this may prevent statistics from being recorded, both for the victors and the losers). In team games, noobies might team up with other noobs to kill other players team kill (sometimes called "gank", meaning 'Gang Kill' {{Fact|date=February 2007}}) or use items intended to be used on enemies (such as flashbangs in Counter-Strike) on friendly players to vent their frustration.
• Noobs hate Newbies, blaming them if they lose a game accussing them of their inferiority, if newbies win a game, Noobs would shrug the event as lucky or their computer is not working well.(see above statement)
• Noobs often blame others if they got killed, also note that they taunt players continously if they taught they are going to win in a game.
• Giving personal information that is fabricated or is not actually true. For example, a "noob" may claim that they are a "football player" and "could beat you up in real life", among countless other claims of "real life" superiority.
• Looking for sexual companionship online. It is common to see a "noob" requesting a "gf" or "bf" (girlfriend/boyfriend); the noob is usually adamant in pursuing someone they desire as their "gf" or "bf", especially after the person of their desire expresses a disinterest or disgust over the noob's affection.
• The inclination to shout random phrases when voice is enabled, that may be nonsensical and/or use an overwhelming amount of explicit language.
• Little or no use of team tactics, or understanding how to cooperate.
• Not understanding the game environment. This includes not understanding the concept of friendly and hostile players, combat/trading zones and non-combat/trading zones, or ignorance to game world rules regarding player conduct.
• Not understanding how to play without breaking some basic formal rules, created by the players a long time ago, such as in games like Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy.
• Not understanding why they get killed so soon or why they cannot kill anyone, in games like Counter-Strike or Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy.
• A tendency to utilize cheating programs or glitches in the game program, after a period of frustration experienced from getting beaten by veterans.
• A tendency to require the quick fix solution.
• A tendency to act like a certain place in a map belongs to an individual. This occurs very often in MMORPGs, as a lot of players want to level up their characters quickly without being bothered.
• A tendency to impersonate a Moderator in order to obtain "free stuff" (this mostly on games like RuneScape) or "res (resurrection)" (this on games like World of Warcraft). Newbies do this very often when being hazed by veterans, who in turn haze them even more. Impersonation often leads to their removal from the game.
• A tendency to claim the possession of various kinds of resources. This usually occurs in multiplayer games in which players are competing for resources and supplies. One common example is stealing supplies from allies in RTS games.
• A tendency of turtling in RTS games. This may be due to their "concern" in losing the game or just simply a lack of tactics.
• Using vehicles when explosives/rocket launchers/grenade launchers are not present, Giving the players in the vehicles a huge advantage in some games

Utilization of noob or n00b as an insult is very similar in act being called a troll; certain actions trigger someone's "noob" or "n00b" label, as a form of group insult.

Noob generally describes a player's current behavior rather than his level of game experience. Although apparently originating from reactions to the ignorance among new players, its usage extends to high-level players who act similarly, and invalid with new players who lack apparent foolishness. For low levels the more correct term Newbie is used, although not always.

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illya = noob

## Newbie vs n00b

Newbie is not offensive, just a new user. n00b on the other hand..why is it being interchangeably used in this 125.23.37.139 10:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. N00b and newbie is two completely different things. --The monkeyhate (talk) 15:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

## Pre Internet usage

Can we, please, please, please, have more focus on the pre-internet usage of the word "Newbie" or "Newbee"? This page should meet higher standards.GrantRS 12:58, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

### The article Noob should be seperated from the newbie article

Yes, agreed. If we were to keep them as seperate articles we wouldn't be having this problem.
Spitfire 00:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

if everyone keeps agreeing then why, exactly? did I just get a redirect from noob to newbie?

Also, noob is really an insult. It's a, "you're new at this, AND you're a moron" thing. I've found it to usually mean something slightly different from "asshole behavior," in that it usually is used when someone is being really annoying by doing a pointless action that new players to do. I think that the sheer amount of blocked words on most games has lead to noob becoming an all around insult. However, a user called a noob w/o probable cause has full justification to pwn the offending player.--Akako| 21:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

## Kick-Ban

In the IRC Section someone with better english than me should explain Kick-Ban. I know what it means but there will be enough people who won't.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.86.148.253 (talkcontribs)

## pwnage

is there a seperate article>

Pwnage redirects to Pwn. -- Petri Krohn 22:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

## lacking depths

this artical is lacking depth. so far the only thing that even relates to this artical besides spelling is in the top. iff this isnt expenaded more, im gona requestt deltion of this artical(Esskater11 19:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC))

## New York & New Jersey users replace "dude" with "noobs"??!!

"The variant "noob" has become common in spoken English in parts of New York City and New Jersey as a substitute for the word dude. "

I would like to see some reference for this. Having lived in New York City for the past 21 years of my life, along with attending Columbia University, I would like to see where this is coming from. A noob is specifically an incapable individual; a dude is ANYONE!

(213.199.128.156 14:45, 2 July 2007 [UTC])

Noob does not equal Dude. However, I can vouch for the fact that many people in the area i live in now say Noob as part of their normal vocabulary....but only because I started saying it first (sarcasm) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.162.201 (talk) 05:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I grew up and live in NY (for the last 23 year) and have friends from NJ. **NO ONE** I know uses "noob" as a replacement for "dude", and I have not encountered any references to this on TV or radio, nor have I heard anyone say this in public. This statement should be deleted unless some specific data can be cited.

pogo 18:40, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Certain people in my circle do call people noobs as kinda like a greeting or something? Anyway, it's kinda like the guy at my college who's around 20 and often says "hello kids!" or "goodbye kids!" I don't know, apparently they think that it's an appropriate backwards complement or something? Somewhat like how some black people will call eachother "nigga" (although 'only' black people. I think that if a non-gamer were to greet a group of gamers with "noob," it wouldn't work out.)--Akako| 21:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

## "Neophyte" should not redirect here

The word neophyte has been in the English language since about 1400 (according to the OED) and has a much broader range of meaning than newbie. E.g., a newly created priest is a neophyte, not a newbie. When kudzu was introduced to the American South, it was a neophyte species, not a newbie. I realize Wikipedia is not a dictionary, but we should avoid redirects that give a false impression of equivalence between terms.

So there is my case for breaking the redirect. How should this be handled? Do we need a stub article at Neophyte? A pointer to Wiktionary? -- Rob C (Alarob) 16:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

After getting some advice at the Village Pump, I'm planning to break the redirect and start a Neophyte article with links to Newbie and Novice as well as Neophyte (disambiguation). Concerns or comments? -- Rob C (Alarob) 02:28, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

## I believe we all know that a n00b is different from a newb.

C'mon, split the article, SPLIT THE ARTICLE! Kimera Kat 23:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

## The eternal noob picture

Though I like the encyclopedic notion, I have to say, this would not be complete without the eternal noob image :O http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3654/337485439516a232a3ji0.jpg Nefzen 23:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

## The sims 2 seasons

in the sims 2 seasons, the first job in the 'gamer' career is a noob. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.128.179.54 (talk) 12:01, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

## Alternate Noob Article Created

Hello, I am just here to notify other users that an alternate article for the word "noob" has been created because some people consider noob as people on a game their for the sole purpose of annoying others, while newbie is considered a new person to an event and often times the word is not considered as offensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spitfire19 (talkcontribs) 23:59, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Noob has since been redirected due to the discussion on it's talkpage. Maybe consider putting the information you put into the Noob article into a section in the Newbie article. AngelOfSadness talk 00:03, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

## Examples

I think it would be better if we put examples of the differences between Newbie and Noob; for example...

Newbie: A new player on a first person shooter uses a certain grenade and then a certain gun, which to other players is thought of as an unfair combo. The 'Newbie' is then told that he shouldn't use that combination.

Noob: The same person from above, after a year of playing that game, decides to do the same combo anyway. The other players call him a 'Noob' for using that combo, when he clearly knows he shouldn't but is doing it anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LordOnager (talkcontribs) 01:46, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

## no

newb/ newbie: a new person, or a beginner thats unexperienced

noob/ n00b: an annoying new person, same as above

Skane 15:06, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

## Newb vs Noob

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I would like to add something about a "nub". It is like a noob, but is only used by a select few that know the term.

I think that this article should be modified- it does not really differentiate between the various definitons "newb" and "noob" have- noob is more of an insult. It should be altered to reflect this.

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Not done Editprotected is for making specific, non-controversial changes to protected pages. This is more of a generalized statement about the whole article, and therefore I have no way of knowing what exactly you want done (and it sounds like you want to change the scope/focus of the article, which is too significant of an edit to do while the page is protected). Also, the page is only semi-protected, which means that users who in good faith want to edit the article, can after the join wikipedia and wait 4 days.-Andrew c [talk] 15:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

## Nub?

I know nub is another way of spelling noob or n00b, however, the definition there (I edited but I'm not that satisfied with my edit) said "this is currently the way if typing or saying it". Now, as far as I know, this is not always the case, it seems to imply n00b has been replaced entirely by nub. Can someone else come up with a better description under "nub" than this or than the one I put there? Eric Mushroom Wilson 23:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

## pronunciation

Is it pronounced newbie or noob? RC-0722 23:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't "noob" originated from "nob"?123.243.53.202 (talk) 11:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

## NO OB(jective)

asfar as i Know thw word NooB comes from No Objective. reffering to a new player who doestn realy know what to do

## Proposal for edit to page

Request adding a hatnote or even italicized comment, to note that Newbie tests redirects here. Originally that page was proposed for merge to Wikipedia deletion policy. Userafw (talk) 09:37, 15 December 2007 (UTC) Note, apparently the redirect was reverted by someone else. It is back on its own page for now. Userafw (talk) 10:19, 15 December 2007 (UTC) Ok, now Newbie tests is redirecting back to this page. Userafw (talk) 10:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

## Choob

What about the term Choob? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.14.10 (talk) 10:02, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

## Grammar... and ?

"Newbie and the alternate spellings are often used for one of two different meanings. Newbie is usually used to refer to a new person who has recently joined the group of bored, and is a rank default on InvisionFree forums. Several alternate spellings and occasionally the original word, are used to refer to a member who is generally unwanted or disliked in the community, and is often used as part of Trolling or Flaming."

1. Is it me, or is the phrase (highlighted red) is not clear and needs to be edited? 2. I don't see how InvisionFree forums are related to "noob"... any forum can have a "noob" rank and not be mentioned here...(i mean that invisionfree forums are not worth the mention WP:IINFO)

--KelvinHOWiknerd(talk) 09:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

However, IF (Invisionfree) COULD be mentioned since as far as I know that was the first place a default group called "Newbie" was made. --Talk to Stealth500 (talk) 22:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

## LOL WHUT

Nub Cake

A nub whose failures exceed all other nubs in their immediate area, thus making them the "biggest nub" or the "icing on the cake of nubs". They tend to not only be horrible at whatever it is they are doing, but tend to be completely clueless and extremely dangerous

Er, that's not very encyclopedic, is it >.> "The icing on the cake of nubs" LuGiADude (talk) 17:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

noob or newbie means: someone new at a thing like a game —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.203.96.188 (talk) 17:03, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

## Archnub

This title is generally given to a leader of noobs. A primary or superior nub. Sometimes used in the online game Runescape. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.242.27.214 (talk) 19:12, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

All i can say to that is lol...(80.42.133.99 (talk) 17:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC))

## halo in irc

why is there a halo reference under irc heading? it should either have it's own catagory, which i don't think is deserved (redundant, as well), or be removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.62.245.35 (talk) 01:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

## k

a noob is like imran —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.231.172.149 (talk) 11:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

## Wikiproject Video Games?

Is it possible for this page to also fall under Wikiproject:Internet culture. I do think that if the article can [technically] be under both projects, it would be best to put it that way.--KelvinHOWiknerd(talk) 15:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)