Talk:Night Watch (Lukyanenko novel)
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- 1 Move to Night Watch (novel) ?
- 2 Tiger-cub or Tigger
- 3 Twilight or Gloom?
- 4 English version
- 5 Looking for authors!
- 6 List of characters
- 7 Science Fiction?
- 8 Translation
- 9 A question
- 10 Tiber Cub
- 11 Zabulon vs Zavulon
- 12 Twilight vs Gloom, again
- 13 Gloom Details
- 14 Anton's Level
- 15 Dark Ones' Power
- 16 Fair use rationale for Image:NewNightWatchcover.jpg
- 17 Article should probably be refactored
- 18 Whose destiny Olga rewrote?
- 19 Edits I think should be made
- 20 Egors level?
Move to Night Watch (novel) ?
This article is no longer about the russian novel, rather it is now about the English Translation, should this be moved/redirected to Night Watch (novel), i noticed that Day Watch and Dusk Watch have already been fixed but not this one? JavaByte 22:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Night Watch (novel) is about a more popular book. "(Russian novel)" is used as a disambiguation over "(Lukyanenko novel)" because it's a better disambiguator. —Fitch 18:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Tiger-cub or Tigger
I am aware that the current English Subtitled version of Night Watch calls Lena "Tiger-cub". While that's an accurate translation, it does not convey the original connotation of her name (Тигрёнок). Therefore, I am calling her "Tigger", which is the closest thing English language has to a proper connotation of her nickname. --Strannik 22:18, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Tigger is not an actual english word. It's a fictional character's name. On the other hand Tiger-Cub does make sense as it is the closest meaning of her name in English.
Twilight or Gloom?
I think that Twilight is a better translation of сумрак, even though the English DVD subtitles used the word Gloom. Twilight just sounds much nicer in English - сумрак is supposed to sound magical and mysterious, and I think Twilight is a much better word for this purpose. If you prefer the official movie version, feel free to change it back, though, I won't mind. The rest of my changes were just corrections to grammar and spelling, such as forgotten "the"s and "a"s. -Lena
- Personally, I think "Gloom" gives a more sinister, menacing quality to the concept. While "Twilight" is a more accurate translation, "Gloom" is closer to how Сумрак was portrayed in the books --Strannik 19:41, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The Preferred translation appears to be Dusk Watch, though only the publishers can decide this when an English translation finally appears best to put both titles i feel, my source for the title Dusk Watch is the New York Daily news, it references Dusk Watch as the title of the 3rd Film (which will be shot in English) (Source: NY daily News ) and also JoBlo (the movie critic)  -JC(S1)
- My version in english uses Twilight, however looking up the various words in english I think both words are goos with each having part of the meaning as used in the books. The idea of something which is obscured or hidden from sight is more closely associated with gloom in English. Some dictionaries will list Gloom as the deepest part of
twilight. Additionally it sounds better as a "thing to be summoned" to my (American English) ear. However there is a sort of dark, sinister or depressed connotation to gloom that twilight does not have, and which is not really present in the book. Personally given the way the movie was changed form the book in order to make a movie that glooom was the right choice for the movie and twilight the right choice for the book. But that is just my on personal taste in things. Dalf | Talk 00:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I think that the word "gloom" implies darkness, but the whole point behind the sumrak is that it is between light and darkness. The sumrak isn't dark, it's gray, or as it said in the book, what happens when you turn the contrast on your TV as low as it will go. There isn't a perfect word for it in English, but I prefer Dusk or Twilight to Gloom. -andrei
Not an edit, but a question, is there an Enlish version of a trilogy? Have the books been translated? If yes, where can i buy them? Lena
- I am sorry, Lena, but as of right now, the answer is "no". As of right now, an unnamed western publisher is holding negotiations with Sergey Lukyaninko, the author of the trilogy, but so far, nothing happened. If the movie is officially released in United States, it might change, so keep your fingers crossed. --Strannik 00:29, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Update: According to Sergey Lukyaninko, the english translations of the Watch trilogy will be published in United States by Miramax Books. Sorry, still no publishing dates. --Strannik 03:29, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- There does exist an unofficial translation e-text by a Maureen S. O'Brien.
--Greed 10:43, 4 Mar 2006 (UTC)
- Night Watch has been released in the US. I just bought it the other day. I haven't seen the rest of the books though Dominic 19:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
We're looking for people who have a very good knowledge of the movies Night Watch, Day Watch and the books they are based upon. We are a company working on a commercial website about this movie. Please write to firstname.lastname@example.org Thanks!
- Any chance we can find out what the company in question is? I, for one, am not terribly eager to give out my personal information to a mysterious party with an e-mail address from a free service provider. --Strannik 03:13, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
- We're PSM&W new media http://psmw-nm.de/ located in Frankfurt, Germany. Book and movie have already been released over here. We're looking for contributors with good background information for a project promoting the trilogy / DVD (as a freelance assignment / job) Thanks! 07:15, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
List of characters
Does it lists chars from first book only or from all four? In first case, Svetlana shouldn't be called Grand Sorceress, nor Kostya was the High Vampire by the end of NW. If the list is for chars of all Watches, it should also include Nadya, Edgar, Arina, Vitaly Rogoza, Alisher, Thomas Lermont and probably, even Merlin.
- Hey, I only gave them generic designations without mentioning their power levels. I have no idea why that was changed. That said, I think the character descriptions should describe the characters as they appeared in Night Watch book. The pages dealing with the Day Watch, Twilight Watch and Last Watch should cover their developments in each respective book. --Strannik 19:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- And, btw, Kostya was a High Vampire by the end of Night Watch. He turned into a bat in the end of the first part, remember --Strannik 19:18, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- In the first book, when Anton and Olga switch back their bodies, (part two, chapter four), Boris Ignatyevich is mentioned as Boris Ignatyevich Geser. Opinion? --Greed 10:56, 3 Mar 2006 (UTC)
- Наши сознания держатся в чужих телах лишь благодаря энергии, затраченной Борисом Игнатьевичем... Гесером.
- Geser is not a public surname. Sergey Lukyaninko said so in his old FAQ.--Strannik 19:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Geser is he's true name and Boris Ignatyevich is only official name.
- I shouldn't have began to debate with only an lousy .doc version of the book. Sorry. --Greed 00:22, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Why exactly are these books classified here as being science fiction? Modern fantasy would be far more apt. Heptapod 05:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- Probably because some people have a problem differentiating between the two. Personally, I find it easy: monsters, magic - fantasy; advanced technology, spaceships, aliens - sci-fi. Crosses exist but are few. Chronolegion 15:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I would say Fantasy/Horror personally, what is the publishers classification? i've had a look and been unable to find this information-JC(SC1)
According to the ISFDB page, Miramax-Weinstein is going to release an edition of Night Watch in July. I assume it will be a translation, but is this true? What exactly is going on? I am hoping I will be able to read the book without having to learn Russian :-). Golwengaud 22:25, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, definitely a tranlation, at least the American version of it (British version comes out earlier and has a diffrent cover. --]
Strannik 07:13, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
- The British version will be released on July, 6.
- The american version is out Dominic 19:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- I'd love to read the novel, I have not heard of it in spanish...either way I think I'll like it more in english. Btw I'd love to help with the translation of the NightWatch page in spanish, who should I address to? Ivo-Han 2 Nov 07
I have a question. I saw the movie and never got the chance to read the book, because I keep traveling around. I think I have finnaly settled in U.S.A. and as soon as the book is published in English I will read it. So, is the book better then the movie?
Я имею вопрос. Что лучше: книга или кино?
- The book is MUCH better. Almost nobody of those who have read the book like the movie. MaxSem 15:36, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
- I must concur. A book is definitely superior to the movie. --Strannik 17:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
- That's almost always the case due to the fact that it is very difficult to properly turn a piece of literature into film. Certain imagery gets inevitably lost, and movie directors usually have certain requirements (i.e. appeal to the viewing audience). Unfortunately, because the directors usually want to get everybody to watch the movie, they will usually remove things they feel only a book fan will understand. Chronolegion 15:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
- It's hard to translate a lot of the events in to film, but if you read the book and watched the film you'd "get it" better. The movie and book have a sort of Bladerunner/Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep thing going. Both are great, both in their own way but they are quite different from each other.
I don't think Tiget Cub's fate should be mentioned in this article, as it has nothing to do with the first novel. There is an article for the Day Watch novel, where this is mentioned. Chronolegion 15:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Zabulon vs Zavulon
While the movie used "Zavulon", the English translation of the book used "Zabulon." On his blog, Lukyaninko said that he regarded the latter as the proper translation, as it was the English version of the name of the original inspiration behind the character's name. We should probably change it accordingly--Strannik 19:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
- I was not aware of that. I don't object to the name change, then. However, I think "Zavulon" should also be included, so as not to confuse anyone. Chronolegion 19:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
- No prob. I'm going to look through blog archives and add the entry in question to sources--Strannik 18:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Twilight vs Gloom, again
I just read the translated version of the novel I bought in New Zealand, and the Gloom is refered to as the twilight. Has it been translated differently in other parts of the world? Should the article refelect this difference? Sabine's Sunbird talk 01:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Should the article only include Gloom information that is present in the first book (e.g. the exact number of levels, what the 7th level really is, who was the "ghost")? Chronolegion 11:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- +1, i also don't think the article should contain storyline elements from the following books as these have articles of their own JavaByte 21:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, someone seems to have added the entire information on Gloom from all books here. Thanks a bunch! Now who's gonna want to read the last book? Could someone, at least, put a "spoilers" tag on that or something? Chronolegion 11:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe the information regarding Anton's exposure to "Fuaran" should be cut from the article. This belongs in the third book's article, not here. Chronolegion 15:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree with this and would do it myself if I had a login - I came to refresh myself on some stuff from this particular book and am only in the middle of the second. Future spoilers are ridiculous. 126.96.36.199 14:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC)MD
Dark Ones' Power
"When Dark Ones feed on pain or anger, pain or anger becomes stronger."
According to Day Watch, in which Alisa 'drinks' the bad dreams of children and those bad dreams dissipate, this is not correct, but rather the opposite of canon. Can somebody provide clarification, here? Should it be fixed? I can hunt down page numbers if need be (for the recently released translation) Leishu 01:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- In Day Watch she implanted the bad dreams in children an then fed off of them. Over all when a Dark one feeds from a person's suffering that suffering is drained in much the same way that happiness is drained from people when Light ones feed, but when they drain sorrow the sorrow and all negative emotions return to the person much stronger then before.
- I think the point is that people are supposed to have bad dreams. You can't have the good without the bad (that's the point of the entire series), otherwise those kids would have problems later on. Chronolegion 10:05, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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Article should probably be refactored
Most of the article deals with the Night Watch universe, including a lot of info that doesn't come into play until later books. A new general article should be created to cover that subject. This article hardly contains any info about the plot of the book at all. If no one disagrees, I'll step forward and add that like I did to Day Watch (novel). Thanks! - Richfife 19:37, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Whose destiny Olga rewrote?
I wrote the plot summaries for the three stories and the ending, where Olga rewrote someone else's destiny (we don't know whose destiny it was so far, because it hasn't been revealed in this book) was edited by an unnamed user who mentioned it was her own.
Now I'm a little confused here, please help me out. If I remember, the destiny Olga rewrote was Svetlana's, she adjusted the day of birth of her future child to make the child a Light Messiah. But the user states Olga rewrote her own destiny to have her powers restored. Those who still remember, please, could you say who is right?
- Изначально в книге идет намек что она просто очистила судьбу Егора. Вернула её на уровень когда он не склоняется ни к Свету, ни к Тьме. что же было на самом деле станет известно в следущих книгах.
I'm sorry! My english level is very badly. because I used translater.(Initially in the book there is a hint that it has simply cleared Egor's destiny. Has returned it on a level when it is not declined neither to Light, nor to Darkness. That was actually it becomes known in following books). lexo from Hero-Moscow, Russian Federation 188.8.131.52 (talk) 08:12, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Edits I think should be made
I have only read night watch so these points may be wrong, Olga is an ex-great sorcoress and had most of her powers removed after she did something wrong, I think Boris says Svetlana is potentially more powerful than him so doesn't that mean he's not a grand magician, in tiger cubs description it says animals are scared of others but I think in the book it says they are scared of dark ones but like light ones, for dark others someone could add about Alisas partner who dies (forgotten his name) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 15:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
The article states that Egor is low lvl "His potential mage level is very low (6 or 7)." Yes in the first book his power was increast by Gesar to make him seem like a very powerful magician. I don't remember if it was stated out right in the text about his level but I do remember Gesar saing at one point that "most don't even get what he got". This would indicate that Egor would have the potential for a 3 or 4 level. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)