Talk:Night of the Long Knives

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Does anyone know what the reference "Macdonogh 2001" refers to?[edit]

Near the end of the article, some quotes by Kaiser Wilhelm II are supported by two shortened footnotes labeled "Macdonogh 2001, pp. 452–52" & "Macdonogh 2001, pp. 452–52". However, there isn't a full citation in the bibliography written by anyone with the surname Macdonogh (or any variations on the spelling of it). Does anyone know what book/work is being referred to here? Some cursory Google searches haven't been helpful. Respectfully, InsaneHacker (💬) 20:20, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Seems the editor who added those citations in 2015 didn't add Macdonogh to the bibliography. Looking at the Kaiser Wilhelm II page, there is a citation for Macdonogh, Giles (2001), The Last Kaiser: William the Impetuous, London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson, ISBN 978-1-84212-478-9, which is probably the source. --Mikaka (talk) 00:26, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

"Papen" vs. "von Papen"[edit]

An IP editor is edit warring to change references to "Papen" to "von Papen". In point of fact, the "von" in German names is quite often dropped in repeated references, and these names are usually alphabetized by the name which comes after the "von". Just looking casually through my library, I find that Kershaw, Fest and Bullock all follow this convention. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:19, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Indeed, these names ar alphabetized by the name after 'von', not usually, but always at least in the country of origin, Germany, and in Holland with names after 'van'; not in the USA though where they think that Von or Van is should lead in the alphabetisation.
That others do something does not make it right; others take drugs, for example. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.115.143.1 (talk) 01:53, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Implying left/right ideological motive[edit]

I don't see why it's necessary to point out that the Strasserists were the left-wing of the Nazi party unless to insinuate that the Nazis were right-wingers and the killings were of a political nature relating to the left/right spectrum. Being the left-wing of the party was incidental; the killings were not motivated by right/left economic agendas but rather consolidation of Hitler's power. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FCC8:8DC7:3700:15EC:7100:5DC5:20E (talk) 00:08, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Absolutely incorrect. The tension between the Strasserites (and Rohm and the SA, for that matter) and the mainline Nazis was fundamentally about the "Socialism" in the "National Socialist German Worker's Party". The 25 Points which Hitler announced in 1920 (and which were never overturned as official party policy) had significant socialist ideas embedded in it, and the Strasserites wanted the party to fulfill those promises with more a socialist outlook. Rohm and the SA, on the other hand, were not satisfied with Hitler's ascension to power, and wanted a "Second Revolution" which would re-organize German political like along more socialist lines. Hitler -- who had socialist instincts regarding the organization of German public life (Strength Through Joy, for instance, and the Hitler Youth and BDM) -- never showed any real desire for a politically socialist-style Germany, which is not to say that the state didn't significantly control German industry, especially when it came to the war effort. So, while the purge was at one level about consolidating Hitler's control of the party and the state (and placating the Army about the SA), the divisions that in large part defined who it was who would be purged were signficantly formed by the socialist leanings of the "left-wing" of the Party. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:30, 13 March 2018 (UTC)