Talk:Nineteen Eighty-Four

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Former good article nomineeNineteen Eighty-Four was a Language and literature good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Current status: Former good article nominee


Nonexistent character?[edit]

In the "Secondary characters" section there's a mention of a character called Syme, who is apparently Winston's colleague at Minitrue. However, I can find no mention of him in my copy or any record that such a character exists; this should be removed. Robin Johnson (talk) 12:30, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Interesting, I did a quick google search that pulled up several conversations on the importance of the character Syme from 1984, I wonder why he isn't in your publication. Could be a notable fact about different types of publication.MaximusEditor (talk) 02:52, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
My edition is ISBN 978-0452262935 and Syme is first introduced in ONE / V / second paragraph. But I'm detecting humor here -- since you are reading the book after he had been vaporized. Full Decent (talk) 02:32, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Copyright section removed[edit]

The section on copyright protection was removed as "naval-gazing". Removal by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Serial_Number_54129. Old version accessible at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nineteen_Eighty-Four&diff=965082811&oldid=965081636. I think this information is very useful and is also particularly timely right now. Full Decent (talk) 02:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

This may or may not be navel-gazing, but it's definitely original research. And as is sometimes the case with original research it's wrong. Nineteen Eighty-Four will not enter the public domain in the United States until 2044. Dan Bloch (talk) 03:47, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
@Fulldecent: I consider it to have been navel-gazing as it was clearly intended to be of interest to Wikipedians rather than the general reader, who is unlikely to give a fly as to the novel's copyright status.
It is also, as Dan Bloch notes above, wholly original research.
In any case—and per policy—following its removal, those wishing to restore contested material should seek consensus on the talk page.
And, FYI, if you could learn some of the basic Wikimarkup, your prose would read much more cleanly. All the best! ——Serial 10:08, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
@Danbloch: "Nineteen Eighty-Four will not enter the public domain in the United States until 2044"[citation needed].
  • "Copyright Term and the Public Domain in the United States". Cornell University Library Copyright Information Center.
  • Arbeiter, M. "14 Things You Might Not Know About Nineteen Eighty-Four". Mental Floss.
The Cornell site is authoritative. Mental Floss is less so, but does mention Nineteen Eighty-Four by name. Dan Bloch (talk) 18:32, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Nineteen Eighty-Four contained very similar content predating the Mental Floss article[1] (may be WP:CIRCULAR). Agreed, the Cornell source can be considered authoritative. Whether Nineteen Eighty-Four had its copyright renewed in the US may still need to be established - which, again, could risk WP:SYNTHESIS.
All this becomes moot if a consensus decides the topic of the work's public-domain status does not meet WP:NOTE, due to a lack of "significant attention from independent sources" exploring the matter. -- 88.96.197.246 (talk) 10:48, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
A source stating the Berne Convention does not apply to Nineteen Eighty-Four would be useful.
To my surprise, I found this too. See Rule of the shorter term#Situation in the United States. Dan Bloch (talk) 18:32, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
I think the discussion here is two-fold. Whether my original contribution is WP:SYNTHESIS and, more importantly, whether the topic of the work's public-domain status is WP:NOTE (e.g.: WP:NOTSTATSBOOK). -- 88.96.197.246 (talk) 16:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

I think it is an influential work and I find it highly amusing that you removed the copyright section for this very book that is about oppression. It will fall into the public domain next year, and hence be available for most people. It would be a great addition to public domain free education collections all over the world when that happens. The copyright expiration date and/or that it is already in the public domain at certain countries is also mentioned here, I bet you can find it at other places and that it will receive massive news coverage in January:

-bkil (talk) 07:43, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Dystopian novel or dystopian reality?[edit]

Hello everybody. I don't think that 1984 is a dystopian book per se. It is a prophetic novel foreseeing the development of a dystopian reality that is panning out day after day and is now in full bloom halfway across the planet. My country, Italy, is a prime example of mainstream media incessantly spoonfeeding people a pro-regime, politically correct humdrum that only a small minority of Italians find sickening anymore. Those people have won the war. I fear that humans as a whole have lost it and they and their progeny will pay reparations for generations to come.

93.55.241.53 (talk) 10:14, 15 November 2020 (UTC)Giacomo Consalez

Milan, Italy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.55.241.53 (talk) 10:11, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, could be.... what are we supposed to do with your information?? Enjoyer of World💬 10:17, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Sean Hannity, radio personality[edit]

Surmised on the air on January 12 2021 that it was published/released in 1984. I propose this here as an example of the warnings contained by Orwell of the rise of ignorance. Wikipietime (talk) 04:25, 13 January 2021 (UTC)