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Rewrite[edit]

This article is in major need of a rewrite from scratch, reading as it does like a series of customer reviews on an amazon product page rather than an encyclopedia article.Star-one (talk) 06:51, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I second this; totally unreadable mess. The Nokia Lumia#Reception gives bunch of figures without any context, it does not mention how miserably are Lumias failing (compared to Symbian sales, before they killed it, its dropping market share and stock value etc.), and discusses at lengths disputed return rates. That reeks advertising. 89.177.89.174 (talk) 07:38, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Dropping market share? I don't see that is the case at all. The market share has been constantly climbing. Also I wouldn't call over 100% growth as "failing". Please keep it neutral and to the facts, and keep "fanboyism" out of it. This needs to be written with a neutral point of view. 217.155.39.91 (talk) 07:49, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

the best thing in n8 is the camara,,, nokia phones always been good on the top but nokia products fallen when microsoft bought nokia for $7.2 billion ....  last thing i saw microsoft-nokia company released gay looking ugly phone with female lame name called (lumia) the system sucks but the camara is good — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.116.176.117 (talk) 17:51, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


So the "Lumia" name is not derived from the Finnish word "lumi", since the correct way for that to be true is that "Lumia" should be "Lunta". Stephen Elop said that Lumia is (means) light (which it is, latin for light). Just to get that cleared up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FinnishSushi (talkcontribs) 16:34, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Generations[edit]

I tend to think that second digit from the right is a generation number so Lumia 810 is a first generation smartphone and have to be moved to the first table.

Generations in a Lumia phone is decided by the first OS the phone ran on. Naming can be misleading. Lumia 810 is a T mobile variant of 820. likewise, there is 822 for Verizon. They are not available internationally and broadly speaking, the naming is consistent for international models. Dileep Kadavarath (talk) 09:56, 25 May 2014 (GMT)


Spanish meaning of lumia[edit]

It has been widely reported that lumia means "prostitute" in Spanish. While this is technically true, it is not material for defining the product in the lede section. It is a rather obscure meaning, as the definition of "prostitute" is "prostituta" or alternatively "puta", even in the self-proclaimed and much criticized "official" dictionary that has been sometimes cited. That's another story, but this dictionary has been criticized as archaic and Castilian dominated - probably why they have the word Lumia in it, which studies have shown over 99% of Spanish speakers do NOT recognize as meaning "prostitute".[sp 1] Since the statement has received so much coverage, it undoubtedly deserves mention in the article, however it should not be in the lede.

In Spanish, like in other languages, there is a few words for the same concept, for "prostitute" there is a few, and "lumia" is one of them even if it is note the most used.
RAE dictionary has a modern version (where lumia continues to exist) and that dictionary is accepted by 22 Spanish academies in 22 countries where Spanish language is official or very important language. So you can't negate the value of that OFFICIAL dictionary an its authority because Spanish is not like English: in Spanish there is a language authority with near 300 years of history actuating in language. Every cul person in Spanish language accepts that dictionary as reference.
In www.fastcompany.com link there is not any link to an study about your claim abot 99% Spanish speakes. And, if that study exist, by some respectable institution, it can say that x% Spanish speakers does not know that meaning, but the meaning exist in the same way and every cult Spanish speaker can look for it in the official dictionary. It may be a word not know in modern times in some countries but that word exist with that meaning and it is official. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LuisGU (talkcontribs) 02:47, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Whether one dictionary is accepted as official or not, and whether the word means prostitute to any significant number of Spanish speakers at all (it doesn't) is not the point at all. What does matter is that this subject does not belong in the lede of the article. This subject is notable because it has been widely reported, but it should not be the focus of what "Nokia Lumia series" is.Jacona (talk) 12:00, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Rename article to 'Lumia Smartphone Series' and restructure[edit]

Perhaps to avoid confusion the article should be renamed 'Lumia Smartphone Series' and the article can be subdivided into 'Nokia Lumia' and 'Microsoft Lumia' to better reflect the fact that the series started under one manufacturer and is continuing under another? Each subdivision can then detail the phones produced by each company - so 'Nokia Lumia' would be further subdivided into 1st Generation (wp 7) 2nd Generation (wp8) and 3rd Generation (wp 8.1) and 'Microsoft Lumia' would be further subdivided into 3rd Generation (wp 8.1) and then presumably in the future 4th Generation (windows 10 for phone) would be added and so forth. This will create a clear chronological progression to the article.

I agree, this product line should not be identified by the owner as it requires changing the name every time it changes owner.
Yeah, or alternatively split the article completely into ms lumia and nokia lumia, it's potentially misleading or confusing to have an article called microsoft lumia which then talks primarily about nokia phones... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.14.14 (talk) 16:06, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
I'll have to disagree, brand-names change all the time but the product remains (largely) the same, the same people who worked under Nokia now work under Microsoft Mobile Oy, the same designers and it's essentially the same product. Products change ownership all the time and the history section covers the re-branding and the change in name, everything true about the Nokia Lumia Series is true about Microsoft Lumia the article's current structure is mostly fine, though I would probably need to create a section about Lumia firmware such as Lumia Amber, Lumia Black, Lumia Cyan, and Lumia Denim. --Namlong618 (talk) 15:34, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
By comparison this article reads "Nokia" 257 times, "Microsoft" 74 times, and "Lumia" 302 times (as of today - 04 D. 02 M. 2015 A.), so I might be inclined to agree with the fact that a Microsoft-branded page should make as much references to Nokia, but as the rebranding was recent there is little support to split the page in 2 over mere branding, but Microsoft has bought Nokia's devices and services division(s) & unit(s), so the current branding is fine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Namlong618 (talkcontribs) 16:26, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Lumia Firmware table[edit]

I recently added a new section called "Firmware" and I'll admit that I didn't write it in a quite "encyclopedic style" so I suggest making a table out of it in the fashion of the Version History of every iteration of Windows Phone, here is my example:

If anyone can tell me why I shouldn't make them template please red-light it, otherwise I'll go ahead and insert it, thank you for taking the time to read this. --Namlong618 (talk) 20:58, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Image of the Microsoft Lumia 535 is under review and was speedy deleted despite having proper rights.[edit]

So please don't remove the image until the final decision has been made, thank you. --Namlong618 (talk) 21:19, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Never mind it has been deleted, I've uploaded a replacement image, and later a batch more, I'll wait it out for a week and if so I'll replace it with this one.
Microsoft Lumia 535 start-up
Sincerely, --Namlong618 (talk) 17:10, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Firmware update anchors[edit]

I've updated the firmware updates table to include {{Anchor}} anchors for each update. I've also updated Namlong618's redirect pages for each update to point to the particular rows in the table instead of to the history section in general. For further Lumia firmwares, I'd ask that editors continue this pattern of creating anchors using the above form, so that articles for each phone model can directly point to the details of the update either directly or via one of the redirect pages. // coldacid (talk|contrib) 20:03, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you coldacid, we'll (I and the other "regular" editors of this page) anchor all future Microsoft Mobile Oy firmware updates on this page, thanks again for your contributions in advancing the quality of this page's navigation.
Sincerely, --Namlong618 (talk) 20:07, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
No prob! // coldacid (talk|contrib) 20:11, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
While on the topic of the updates table, any comments on reversing the table order to be in historical (chronological) order instead? - This is to bring it in-line with the same formatting as the Windows Phone version history page. NeoGeneric (talk) 05:19, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Regardless of related articles, version/update tables should follow established style guidelines. However, I just checked and there's nothing in the Computing MOS for this, so I'd suggest a review of other software articles that have such tables and determine which is more common, before changing the existing (reverse chronological) order. // coldacid (talk|contrib) 12:58, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Windows Phone: a version/edition of Windows? Nope. Only Windows 10 Mobile.[edit]

It should be noted for anyone editing the infobox that Windows Phone is not necessarily an edition of Windows. Windows 10 Mobile certainly is, but 7.x and 8.x aren't. Windows Phone 7.x is a custom layer for Silverlight and XNA built on top of the Windows CE kernel. Windows 8.x is the same and with the WinRT API layer on top of the Windows NT kernel. The difference here is that Win10 Mobile so far appears to actually be Windows 10 but without the desktop and standard WinAPI layer available (nor Windows components relying on them); Windows Phone is a different platform built on different kernels for each version. // coldacid (talk|contrib) 03:21, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I understand the confusion as you must confuse the Lumia line with the Lumia smartphone line but Windows is mentioned in the infobox because of the Nokia Lumia 2520 which runs Windows R.T. a version/an edition of Windows 8.X and not because of Windows 10, in the future the statement shall remain relevant as Windows 10 is built on (mostly) the same codebase as P.C. Windows 10, but the inclusion of Windows in the infobox has absolutely nothing to do with the relationship between Windows and Windows Phone and I think we're all aware of the compatibility between Windows Phone and Windows as kernels don't define operating systems, otherwise Windows Phone 7.X could be considered a version of Windows Mobile. No-one here believed that Windows Phone is a version of Windows which is self-evident, but all members of the Lumia line are included under which the Nokia Lumia 2520. I hope that you now understand why Windows is in the infobox and should not be removed.
Sincerely, --Namlong618 (talk) 21:00, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Note: this is @Gadget Geek and not @Coldacid, but I write it here in case they're reading the talk page
While we're on the subject to quote Gadget Geek here "Started some tweaks to the infobox. Please add any relevant info, such as the ranges for other specs, such as price. Thanks!" as much of an inclusionist I am every individual Nokia/Microsoft Lumia article presents relevant information and the wide diversity would absolutely clutter the infobox, just look at the iPad or iPhone articles for comparison, the Nokia Lumia Series/Nokia LSeries/Microsoft Lumia range is simply far too diverse for this. The best we could do is split the page into a new Comparison of Lumia devices page which is simply already a section so the infobox only provides general information that all Lumia devices have in common with the notable exception of the manufacturer and the operating system (which if you'd exclude all Lumia phones on the Windows 10 technical preview is only 1 device on Windows and the rest on Windows Phone), but further information should only be included in the individual pages such as Nokia Lumia 920, Nokia Lumia 1020, Microsoft Lumia 535, Etc. as opposed to following the iPhone's style (which is cluttered and inefficient). I hope that Gadget Geek and other readers will now understand why the infobox is "minimalist" (something I personally hate, but even I must agree that this is necessary).
Sincerely, --Namlong618 (talk) 21:09, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
I erred when undoing Some Gadget Geek's edit by simply deleting everything in the parens from [1]. Were Twinkle able to do individual line reverts instead, that would have been better because I didn't intend to suggest that Lumia devices only use Windows Phone as their operating system. I merely wanted to get rid of the incorrect data that stated that WP is an edition of Windows proper.
@Namlong618: BTW you should use the {{ping|username}} template when posting a comment directed at someone, as that will also light up a notification for them whether or not they're watching the page where the comment is made. Likewise I believe the {{u|username}} template should also give a notice that they've been mentioned. It's a lot better than just typing out the username. (NB the notifications are only sent if the edit including the template's use includes the editor's signature via ~~~) // coldacid (talk|contrib) 21:42, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
@Coldacid: I'm used to the people that ping me to either come with childish comments or I forget a space in their user-name or incorrectly capitalize/uncapitalize, but anyhow I didn't see that S.G.G. added "(a version of Windows)" as I was asleep when that happened and didn't review the entire changelog so I didn't see that you were right, I simply thought that you overlooked the Nokia Lumia 2520 and assumed that "Microsoft Windows" is included because of Windows 10 which is a reason why it should be there in the future, but today it's there because of Windows R.T. as to why the form-factors also list Tablet-P.C.'s as opposed to merely mobile phones and phablets, but I think that you understand that, I simply missed the part where Windows Phone was declared "a version" of Windows (in fact Windows Phone is closer to Windows Embedded than it is to Windows), please excuse me for my hasted judgements and I should've observed the changelogs more, especially since by re-adding Microsoft Windows I saw less characters than when you removed them so I should've viewed the changelog, lessons to be learned by all participating parties, apparently.
Sincerely, --Namlong618 (talk) 07:07, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
No probs. // coldacid (talk|contrib) 12:56, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

A question by User:49.200.95.48 on the style of tables.[edit]

Merging sections List of Lumia devices and Specifications and comparison of Lumia devices in Microsoft Lumia[edit]

Both the sections have information about same phones. These info could be merged.

Plus, is there a need to list generations of Lumia phones... No other mobile phone manufacturer page in wikipedia has such listing. I believe that confuses lot probably. Why not to list them acc to OS (installed) and branding only (ofcourse soreted by release date)

For eg

Title[edit]

Nokia lumia devices[edit]

WP7[edit]

specification table including all devices irrespective off generation(with remaining info from other section

WP8[edit]

specification table including all devices irrespective off generation(with remaining info from other section

WP8.1[edit]

specification table including all devices irrespective off generation(with remaining info from other section

Microsoft lumia devices[edit]

WP8.1[edit]

specification table including all devices irrespective off generation(with remaining info from other section

W10[edit]
Please ask that again on the talk page of Microsoft Lumia as I A) do not own anything here, if you wonder about edits please go to the talk pages and not my page as I share this I.P. address with other people, though still feel free to ask me anything, B) I don't often edit the tables other than software updates (which I made due to the awkward wording of the previous firmware section), and C) I will copy this message from my personal page and re-post it to the Microsoft Lumia talk page so you can get a proper response.
P.S. Collaboration is a better word in this context so I'll change it back, but feel free to state why it's "partnership" instead of "collaboration" because honestly I fail to see what's wrong with the wording, but your concise changes on the Microsoft Mobile page were very much welcome.
Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 11:43, 14 April 2015 (UTC) (Alternatively Namlong618)
In retro-spect "partnership" and "collaboration" wouldn't make much difference, and since it's "partnership" on the Windows Phone article as well I shan't change it.
Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 11:44, 14 April 2015 (UTC) (Alternatively Namlong618)