Talk:Nootropic

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Magnesium threonate more than doubles ability to relocate items; long term memory[edit]

it says i should have a review article on magnesium threonate to place it at the main article. journal = Neuron Volume 65 Issue 2 p165–177 date 28 January 2010 pmid20152124

magnesium threonate  - ;An article at the journal Neuron says that magnesium L-threonate at an animal model of human cognition improved short term memory by 18% and long-term memory by 100%. At younger rats the memory effect was slightly more than double.

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This study appears to be a primary source. We're looking for review articles or meta-analyses or statements from major medical bodies for bio-medical content.

References

  1. ^ Slutsky I (january 2010). "Enhancement of Learning and Memory by Elevating Brain Magnesium". Neuron Volume 65 Issue 2 p165–177 date 28 January 2010 pmid20152124. 65 (2): 165–77. PMID 20152124. doi:10.1016 Check |doi= value (help).  Check date values in: |date= (help)

-- Sizeofint (talk) 20:27, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Suggested todo 1[edit]

There is a bit of content to cover it as a cultural phenomenon but probably not enough to comment on efficacy. Sizeofint (talk) 16:21, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Suggested todo2[edit]

  • Needs to be a section regarding the ethics of nootropic drugs and how they differ from stimulants.
  • Need to elaborate on formation of the billion dollar industry, history and original intent when the term was coined.
    • Giurgea, C. (1973) "The nootropic approach to the pharmacology of the integrative activity of the brain" Cond. Reflex 8, 108-115. 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happymunda (talkcontribs) 14:35, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

B vitamins[edit]

In the article it states that B vitamins have no cognition-enhancing effects. According to the systematic review given as the reference, of the B vitamins, they only analyzed studies on folate, vitamin B6, and vitamin B12. The other five B vitamins—B1, B2, B3, B5, and biotin—were not included in the review. Yet the article makes the claim for all the B vitamins. I fixed this, but Alexbrn rolled back all my edits including this one (and my alphabetical sort and heading rename) with the vague explanation "undue detail", without justifying the revert of these improvements with substantive reasons. I'm concerned that the article is misreporting a source, with a statement that is far more general than what the systematic review found. The Transhumanist 08:31, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

From the source: "Omega-3 fatty acids, B vitamins, and vitamin E supplementation did not affect cognition in non-demented middle-aged and older adults". WP:STICKTOSOURCE. We don't need guff about the details of the trial (designed to cast doubt?) And renaming references is not helpful. Alexbrn (talk) 08:39, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Dear Alexbrn, it's not a trial, but an analysis and review of the published research on 5 specific nutrients (Omega-3, folate, and vitamins B6, B12, and E). In their conclusion (which you quoted), the authors are referring to the B vitamins that they covered in their article, not to all B vitamins. Their article isn't about all the B vitamins, but only 3 of them. Please read their article, and you'll see what I mean. For convenience, the tables included in their article present which nutrients they studied the published research of. The Transhumanist 09:01, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
It's a weird problem with that source, man. I couldn't believe my eyes at first, either. The subject in the conclusion of the abstract doesn't match the subject covered in the body of their article. Like a typo or something. It's vague, like the title of their article, which is way more general than the actual subject too. Check it out, and let me know what you think. The Transhumanist 09:43, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
It doesn't say "all" B vitamins. I think it's fine as is. 09:47, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Alexbrn, That's true, but "B vitamins" is what is listed in the WP article, and when users click on that link, what do they see? An article on all B vitamins. The Transhumanist 10:58, 31 May 2017 (UTC) P.S.: By the way, your name disappeared.