Talk:North America and West Indies Station

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commanders table[edit]

Here is a table of Commanders in Chief adapted from the one used in the Pacific Station article. I've tried to clearly display gaps with ellipses. As more data and references are uncovered more of the gaps may be filled in. Then this table can eventually be transferred to the article. 67.86.75.96 (talk) 02:05, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

List of Commanders-in-chief[1][2]
Commander-in-Chief From Until Notes
1745
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Commodore Lord Alexander Collville November 1759 October 1762
Commodore Richard Spry October 1762 October 1763
Rear Admiral Lord Alexander Collville October 1763 September 1766
Captain Joseph Deane September 1766 November 1766 (Senior Captain)
Captain Archibald Kennedy November 1766 July 1767 (Senior Captain)
Commodore Samuel Hood July 1767 October 1770
Commodore James Gambier October 1770 August 1771
Rear Admiral John Montagu August 1771 June 1774
Vice Admiral Samuel Graves June 1774 January 1776
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Rear Admiral Thomas Graves 1780 1782[3]
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Richard Hughes circa 1780s[4]
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Andrew Mitchell 1802 1806[5] Died in commission in Bermuda
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John Warren 1813 1814[6]
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Vice-Admiral Edward Griffith Colpoys 20 February 1830 6 December 1832
Vice-Admiral George Cockburn 6 December 1832 12 February 1836
Vice-Admiral Peter Halkett 12 February 1836 11 February 1837 Admiral 10 January 1837
Vice-Admiral Charles Paget 11 February 1837 27 January 1839 Died in commission
Vice-Admiral Thomas Harvey 22 March 1839 28 May 1841 Died in commission
Vice-Admiral Charles Adam 17 August 1841 27 December 1844
Vice-Admiral Francis Austen 27 December 1844 12 January 1848
Vice-Admiral Thomas Cochrane 12 January 1848 13 January 1851
Vice-Admiral George Seymour 13 January 1851 23 November 1853
Rear-Admiral Arthur Fanshawe 23 November 1853 26 November 1856
Rear-Admiral Houston Stewart 26 November 1856 13 January 1860 Vice-Admiral 30 July 1857
Rear-Admiral Alexander Milne 13 January 1860 7 January 1864
Vice-Admiral James Hope 7 January 1864 10 January 1867
Vice-Admiral George Rodney Mundy 10 January 1867 30 June 1869 Admiral 26 May 1869
Vice-Admiral George Wellesley 30 June 1869 13 September 1870
Vice-Admiral Edward Gennys Fanshawe 13 September 1870 9 September 1873
Vice-Admiral George Wellesley 9 September 1873 22 December 1875
Vice-Admiral Astley Cooper Key 22 December 1875 1 April 1878
Vice-Admiral Edward Augustus Inglefield 1 April 1878 27 November 1879
Vice-Admiral Francis Leopold McClintock 27 November 1879 7 November 1882
Vice-Admiral John Edmund Commerell 7 November 1882 25 August 1885
Vice-Admiral Richard Meade 25 August 1885 4 September 1886
Vice-Admiral Algernon Lyons 4 September 1886 15 December 1888
Vice-Admiral George Willes Watson 15 December 1888 15 December 1891
Vice-Admiral John Ommanney Hopkins 15 December 1891 17 April 1895
Vice-Admiral James Elphinstone Erskine 17 April 1895 15 September 1897
Vice-Admiral John Arbuthnot Fisher 15 September 1897 1 May 1899
Frederick Bedford 1899 1903[7]
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W. L. Grant 1918[8]
Commander-in-Chief, North America and West Indies[9] From Until Notes
Vice-Admiral Trevylyan Dacres Willes Napier 1 December 1919 16 October 1920
Vice-Admiral William Christopher Pakenham 16 October 1920 1 January 1923 Promoted to Admiral 6 April 1922
Vice-Admiral Michael Culme-Seymour 1 January 1923 26 May 1924
Vice-Admiral James Andrew Fergusson 26 May 1924 2 June 1926 Promoted to Admiral 1 August 1927
Commander-in-Chief, America and West Indies[9] From Until Notes
Vice-Admiral Walter Henry Cowan 2 June 1926 5 June 1928 Promoted to Admiral 1 August 1927
Vice-Admiral Cyril Thomas Moulden Fuller 5 June 1928 7 May 1930
Vice-Admiral Vernon Harry Stuart Haggard 7 May 1930 11 May 1932
Rear-Admiral Reginald Aylmer Ranfurly Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax 11 May 1932 26 May 1937
Vice-Admiral Matthew Robert Best 21 November 1934 26 May 1937
Admiral Sidney Julius Meyrick 26 May 1937 at least 1939[10]
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Vice Admiral William G. Andrewes circa 1952 and later
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  2. ^ Davis, Peter. "Principal Royal Navy Commanders-in-Chief 1830-1899". Retrieved 2010-03-04. 
  3. ^ "Graves, Thomas, Admiral 1st Baron Graves, 1725-1802... – GRV/101-120". National Maritime Museum. Retrieved 2010-03-05. 
  4. ^ "Research guide N1: Horatio Nelson : Biographies - Cook and Nelson : Research guides : The Library : Researchers : NMM". National Maritime Museum. Retrieved 2010-03-05. 
  5. ^ "Union Flag (AAA0575) - National Maritime Museum". National Maritime Museum. Retrieved 2010-03-05. 
  6. ^ Newfield, Gareth. "Crimes of the Independent Companies of Foreigners in North America, 1813 by Gareth Newfield". Retrieved 2010-03-04. 
  7. ^ "Bedford, Sir Frederick George Denham, Admiral, 1838-1913... – BED". National Maritime Museum. Retrieved 2010-03-05. 
  8. ^ Schliehauf, Bill. "Plan "BCR"". Retrieved 2010-03-04.  Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  9. ^ a b Bevand, Paul A. (21 Ocotber 2007). "Holders of the appointment Commander-in-Chief, America and West Indies 1904-1945". Retrieved 2010-04-03.  Unknown parameter |coauthor= ignored (|author= suggested) (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)
  10. ^ Niehorster, Leo (1 May 2001). "America and West Indies Command, Royal Navy, 3.09.39". Retrieved 2010-03-04. 

Page Title[edit]

Why was "North American and West Indies Station" chosen over North American Station, North America and West Indies Station, America and West Indies Station, and finally, West Indies Station? --Simon Harley (Talk | Library). 16:31, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

See discussion below:

(Addressed to User:Buckshot06) I note and agree with your attempt to update the title of the North American Station article. However to apply the last used name I suspect we should use "America and West Indies Station". What do you think? Dormskirk (talk) 22:15, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

I suppose you may be right. But if anything, I probably went with including 'North' because the station had that appelation for most of it's history, and was thus better known under that name. A&WI was only the title for a short period. Buckshot06 (talk) 03:46, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Good point. I am very happy to stick with your choice. Dormskirk (talk) 09:25, 29 December 2010 (UTC

I don't think it was actually officially called the North American and West Indies Station though. Certainly not in the Navy Lists I've looked at, an Admiralty ledger of flag appointments from 1907 to 1919, or the Service Records of C.-in-C.s up to and including Cowan. --Simon Harley (Talk | Library). 16:46, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I noticed that myself. I think the ideal would be "North America and West Indies Station". We need an admin to move the article to that title (I have tried myself without success). Dormskirk (talk) 16:52, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
I recall trying to move something years ago with dire results. I thought I'd bring the subject up since you've had to correct God knows how many links recently. --Simon Harley (Talk | Library). 17:06, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
I think we need User:Buckshot06 to do the move (he is an admin so he probably knows what he is doing). I am quite happy to fix the links again afterwards once we have got the title entirely correct. Dormskirk (talk) 17:14, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Move is made - thanks for drawing this to my attention. Hope you are both having good holidays.. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:15, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
That's great. Many thanks and best wishes to you too. Dormskirk (talk) 20:23, 29 December 2010 (UTC)