Talk:North Yorkshire

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Admin HQ[edit]

What is the HQ of this county? --Maddawg1967--

Northallerton Yorkshire Phoenix 08:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Carve-up of North Yokshire[edit]

I remember being sent literature regarding possible alterations to North Yorkshire in the early 90s. Among various options included Hambleton, Craven, Richmondshire and Harrogate districts to secede and become 'The Dales Council' and with the rump North Yorkshire to revert to 'North Riding'. Another option was for Lanbaugh district (then Cleveland) and the old East Riding of Yorkshire to merge with North Yorkshire to form an even bigger county. Nothing came of it but worth a mention I'd have thought.15:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

See linked article[edit]

I've found my original maps and references, and will be adding it to the [History of local government in Yorkshire] article. I've added the link, I'm now off to add the detail.

BTW, I can't find anything about Langbaugh leaving the former Cleveland collection of councils. Jgharston (talk) 19:48, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Tone of "Education" section[edit]

The education section has been marked as being in a tone not appropriate for an encyclopedia. The single sentence is, "North Yorkshire LEA has a mostly comprehensive education system with 42 state schools... and 12 independent schools..." I believe that the person who flagged the section misunderstood the sentence as meaning "North Yorkshire has a mostly thorough education system" rather than "North Yorkshire has an education system based around comprehensive schools", where "comprehensive school" is single school catering to pupils of all academic abilities. I believe that the link in the sentence makes this clear enough so I have deleted the "inappropriate tone" tag. Dricherby (talk) 21:41, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for deleting the tag - I think it was a left over from when it was a longer section, most of which was deleted by a user who went round most county articles deleting education details. Keith D (talk) 22:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Surely this section is wrong anyway? North Yorkshire has *well* more than 42 state schools... there are more than 300! Does the figure only relate to Secondary schools? (ChrisP)


The article requires details of the political structure adding together with details of the recent European election & County council election. Keith D (talk) 12:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Height of Whernside[edit]

A Google search revealed that Whernside is either 704m or 736m, depending on the website quoted. Does anyone know the real height of Whernside? Michael Glass (talk) 14:13, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

The 1:25,000 Ordnance Survey figure is 736 m. It has a trig point, so I have no doubt that it is the definitive height. Great Whernside, between Wharfedale and Nidderdale is 704 m high. There is a well-researched list of peaks in the Yorkshire Dales with their heights at List_of_peaks_in_the_Yorkshire_Dales --Langcliffe (talk) 06:44, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that clarification. Michael Glass (talk) 03:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

An average of 45-90 days of snow in winter? Tosh.[edit]

I have checked the alleged source for this statement, and it shows that nowhere in Yorkshire is the average number of days of (lying) snow more than 18. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:18, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I have double-checked and according to the Met Office website snow lies for a maximum of between 45 and 70 days a year in those locations. I think that your error was that you looked at a specific month rather than the annual total. Anyway, I have corrected the page to reflect the Met Office figures. --Langcliffe (talk) 20:25, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

"Economy" section - what does it mean?[edit]

The "Economy" section presents a chart (sic; actually it's a table) of something called "regional gross value added at current basic prices". A reference directs the reader to an ONS PDF document containing (with no explanation) this information. As a ref it's perfect, referring as it does to an official ONS report. As useful information it's as much use as a chocolate fireguard, giving as it does no clue at all what "regional gross value added" may be.

WP has no article on this thing, and a quick Google search throws up many instances of documents detailing it without explaining it. Given that this section merely contains an inaccurately-described (it's a table, not a chart) of inxeplicable (or at least unexplained) numbers, does it have any place in the article? I propose to delete the "Economy" section on 17th April 2011 unless it is improved before then. Tonywalton Talk 23:58, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I am NOT an economist, but as far as I know the GVA is a way of measuring the sum of incomes earned from the production of goods and services in the region using methodologies determined by the EU which allows comparison of economic growth across the EU. has a helpful section on this together with fuller references. As I am not an economist, I have no intention of modifying the section, and have no vested interest in whether it is kept or deleted. --Langcliffe (talk) 06:24, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Try Gross value added. Admittedly a stub but it does exist and it defines the term. --Harkey (talk) 18:48, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

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York the largest 'settlement' within the ceremonial county?[edit]

Im afraid I have to disagree with this statement as the largest settlement within the ceremonial county of North Yorkshire is Middlesbrough. As of 2011, the York urban area had a population of 137,505 whereas the population of Middlesbrough was 138,700 and that's not even taking into account the larger urban area of Middlesbrough which extends beyond the authority. The local government district of the City of York is larger however with around 200,000 people, but covers a much larger area than York itself so i feel the statement is misleading saying its the largest settlement. Maybe its the largest town in 'true' Yorkshire as many people up here (hailing from the Middlesbrough area myself) are mixed when it comes to the Yorkshire identity (Acklamite) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:41, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

ONS figures give York as 197,800 and Middlesbrough as 138,400. Keith D (talk) 22:06, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Those figures are for the unitary authority not the actual urban area. The City of York covers a much larger area than just York itself. It even shows this within the York article. This paragraph is taken from the demography section on the article;

"The York urban area had a population of 137,505[1] comprising 66,142 males and 71,363 females in 2001. Also at the time of the 2001 UK census, the City of York had a total population of 181,094 of whom 93,957 were female and 87,137 were male"

(Acklamite (talk) 18:11, 15 March 2013 (UTC))

Ok so now new data has been released pertaining to the new classification of Built-up areas in place of the previous urban areas. The 2011 data provided by the ONS shows considerable change in the way urban areas are defined in England & Wales [2][3] and therefore the way in which the urban area or built-up area subdivision of both Middlesbrough and York are viewed. According to the National statistics, as of 2011, the Built-up Area Subdivision of Middlesbrough had a population of 174,700 whereas the Built-up Area Subdivision of York had 152,841[4] (excluding Earswick which is counted as a seperate subdivison). This puts Middlesbrough as the largest settlement in terms of built-up area as this new method pays no respect to council boundaries. This said, York is still the largest City in North Yorkshire and is a considerably larger district. So in an urban sense, Middlesbrough is the larger settlement, but as a municipal corporation/district sense York is larger. Acklamite (talk) 20:54, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Bus routes[edit]

Request to put on Bus routes due to List of bus routes in North Yorkshire being proposed for deletion and the information to be put on to this instead although links can be provided so it links up this stopping deletion DF2 (talk) 20:50, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

  • I don't think you will get much support for this as you may judge from the responses to the AfD on List of bus routes in North Yorkshire. It is not only lists of bus routes in North Yorkshire being nominated for deletion, it for all similar lists in all other counties too. There is also a lot of opposition to bus routes being put on individual town/city/village articles. Main reason being given that the level of detail being given is not appropriate to an encyclopedia and the amount of effort required to keep details on routes and sources up to date . There are plenty of other sites dedicated to providing this information, such as the bus companies themselves, local council web sites and independent web sites like There is some support for this information to put on the new sister project of WikiVoyage as it has more to do with helping travellers. If you look at WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements this will give a guide on what sort of things are expected to be seen in articles on places. Personally i have only ever mentioned that a particular place is served by a bus route stating only the termini (no number or bus company) and this only for rural places where it might have more relevance. It is more or less a given that that large towns and cities will have a choice of bus services.Rimmer1993 (talk) 12:18, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

1974 Formation[edit]

Is anybody working on a 1974 formation map in the style of, for example: South Yorkshire 1974? If not, I've got the maps, and can do it. Jgharston (talk) 13:18, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Towns and Villages[edit]

The list omits Ingleby Barwick which is wholly within North Yorkshire witha population of 19,600[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:17, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Im not entirely sure Ingleby Barwick is a town or village. I know it is often regarded as a town by some and yes it does even have a town council[3] which was granted in 2007, but has it ever received any charter of incorporation? Perhaps the term 'township' would be better, although personally I still see it as Europe's largest housing estate. Acklamite (talk) 12:14, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference KS01 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^
  3. ^ [1]Ingleby Barwick Town Council
Since the recent changes in the legislation I think there is no longer any need for there to be a charter to be called a town. It can be done by the parish council in a resolution, so if the council calls it a town council then we have to go with it. Keith D (talk) 00:28, 26 September 2014 (UTC)


What is a settlement? Is it not an urban area as oppose to an administrative structure i.e. a borough? Well in terms of this article its clear its about urban area so why does the article use figures for the Built-up Areas of every settlement except the Middlesbrough area which doesnt show the settlement of Middlesbrough but uses the figures for its district? Why has the article been changed back to put York as the largest settlement, this is simply and obviously not the case. Middlesbrough is clearly a larger settlement than York and here's why...It is a more populous sub-division! The Middlesbrough BUASD (Thats Built-up Area Sub-division) which defines urban areas or Settlements in the UK has a population of 174,700, whereas the York BUA (Built-up Area) which is made up from the York Sub-division and the Earswick Sub-division has 153,717!! Middlesbrough's population as a settlement / Built-up Area is 174,700, not 138,400 which represents the district which is not what the article is referring to at all. Why does it use the population figure for the smaller council area when the article isn't even talking about the administrative area its talking about the settlement? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:34, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Well it appears that nobody, other than myself, is bothered by the fact that the article is still incorrectly stating that Middlesbrough, as a settlement, has a population of 138,400 when in fact it has 174,700 as of 2011. The ONS defines settlements by using the census data for built-up area subdivisions and not council areas which pay no respects to a settlement. If council areas are to be used then yes that would indeed put York as the largest district in North Yorkshire, however this is not the case. Need I remind everyone that this section of the article is in reference to settlements and not council areas and settlements are essentially urban subdivisions or built-up area subdivisions (BUASD's). Here is an excerpt taken from Wikipedia's own article on Human settlements,
 "...settlements are "a city, town, village, or other agglomeration of buildings where people live and work."[1]  

The important part of that excerpt in this case is "agglomeration, which the Middlesbrough BUASD is and so has nothing to do with council areas at all. Middlesbrough is clearly the largest Settlement within the ceremonial county of North Yorkshire, I will try to put it into a bit more perspective;

  • York - settlement = 153,717, district = 197,800
  • Middlesbrough - settlement = 174,700, district = 138,400

As a settlement, Middlesbrough has 174,700 and York has 153,717. Its blatantly obvious which settlement is the largest!!

  1. ^
I strongly suggest that if no one is going to recognise the use of an incorrect population figure for the settlement of Middlesbrough, and continue to use the population for the council area whilst still referring to it as a settlement, then perhaps the way in which the localities are defined should be changed. It is misleading to refer to Middlesbrough in this article as a settlement, which would include the full extent of the built-up area subdivision, when in reality it is the council area of the borough of Middlesbrough which is represented here. Maybe its the terminology used that I find misleading, instead of using settlements something else should be put in place as I do not think council areas define settlements or perhaps using the correct built-up area subdivisions figures would suffice! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:21, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

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Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:North Yorkshire/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

  1. Lists need trimming to essentials rest in sub articles. For example the villages should all move to the List of places in Yorkshire article.
  2. References required
  3. More detail on the georgaphy of the area
  4. More details on sports/culture of area
  5. Relevant photographs

Keith D 12:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

==Assessed as a C== I reckon this is more than good enough for a C. I was thinking of making it a B but it would definitely need some of the present material referencing - in particular the geography and transport sections - and perhaps a bit more about geology. Opinions will vary on illustrations of such a diverse area, particularly with the careful excepting of the cities, but there are LOADS on Geograph now.

But this is easily a grade C

--Robert EA Harvey (talk) 10:44, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

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