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- 1 me and my dumb ideas
- 2 polymerization
- 3 trademark
- 4 Correction? - about - ' inorganic ingredients: coal, water and air'
- 5 question
- 6 Nylon is Organic: Ref. Coal, Air and Water
- 7 Clothing
- 8 Nylon
- 9 Nylon 6 vs Nylon 6,6
- 10 Melting points
- 11 Request for content addition: physical/chemical properties
- 12 fiber percentage
- 13 PA 6 and 66 draw
- 14 news article for consideration
- 15 Etymology
- 16 Metalized Nylon?
- 17 Biodegradable?
- 18 Patent Cites
- 19 Electrical conductivity
- 20 Welding Nylon
- 21 ...committed suicide during the last year of his life...
- 22 polymerisation equation
- 23 Chemistry - concepts of nylon production
- 24 Orchestra Instruments?
- 25 Etymology
- 26 Merge with Polyamide
- 27 Restructuring this article
- 28 Temprature nomenclatures
- 29 Duralon
- 30 lightweighted ?!
- 31 image request: nylon salt
- 32 Use in 3D printing
me and my dumb ideas
would it be possible to use chains containing a thiol group for the R and R' so that disulfide bridges similar to the ones in keratin would form? If so, would that significantly increase strength? Scythe33 03:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC) You have to read this because the great,fantastic,beautiful king savage is here if you don't read this you will be killed when you sleep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 19:49, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
I removed this paragraph:
- The word nylon is no longer a trademark as it was deemed to have become a generic term. In a historic lawsuit competitors claimed that Nylon was such a household word that it could no longer be considered a Registered Trademark. As a result, Nylon is now a word in the English language.
Here are references stating that "nylon" was never trademarked, including Dupont itself:
Correction? - about - ' inorganic ingredients: coal, water and air'
MADE BY AARON BARKER In the entry for nylon second paragraph, second sentence reads:
It was the first synthetic fibre to be made entirely from inorganic ingredients: coal, water and air.
My question is coal really an 'inorganic ingredient'? So should be be corrected if it isn't a true statement?
- Also, it is very confusing to have Nylon in Category:Organic polymers when the entry states it is inorganic.
This could be meant as a distinction from polymers such as protein, starch, DNA etc which are made by living creatures.
The following comment on the second paragraph looks like a discussion statement, so I moved it here --BjKa 13:10, 18 May 2005 (UTC) :
The general information above is fairly close to what goes into PA/Nylon polymerization. However, "coal and steam" is a bit simplistic, and the combination of HMD and AA to make PA-66 leaves out quite a bit of details. In fact, you CAN get PA-66 from other starting monomers. And you CAN (and always do) get any polyamide from anything other than coal.
does anybody know much about the tensile strength of nylon?
as well as the tensile strength of cotton, polyester, spandex, and cotton/polyester blend, fabrics?
thanks and please let me know ASAP.
18.104.22.168 23:03, 10 October 2005 (UTC)alex
- "Nylon" is a very general term. You might mean Nylon 6, 6, Nylon 6 (properties here), Nylon 6, 12, Nylon 11, or any of several other common types. Polyesters are another complicated family of molecules, but the word most commonly means polyethylene terephthalate, which has these properties. Spandex is actually polyurethane; this might be a rough guide, but the "strength" of elastomers is a tricky subject, very much dependent upon temperature and strain rate. As for natural fibers and blends, finished strength has quite a lot to do with how the fibers are spun, as well as their staple length (which is dependent on the heritage of whatever organism produced the fiber, and can also change somewhat during processing as fibers break). A fair comparison would use cellulose monofilament, but that's not really practical to make without chemical modification of the cotton (see rayon). Hope this helps, Joel 02:15, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Nylon is Organic: Ref. Coal, Air and Water
The phrase "made from coal, air and water" was an old standby often used in the early days of synthetic polymers to establish the uniqueness of the new synthetic systems. From the very beginning nylon was never made from "coal" but from petroleum feedstocks. In fact the choice of nylon 6,6 as the preferred composition was based on the availability and low cost of benzene from such sources. So its presence here is technically incorrect but the meat of the meaning is correct that nylon was the first synthetic fiber, "made from scratch," so to speak. I have made a couple of changes to the wording regarding monomer length vs nylon suffix number and taken Carothers out of the picture as far as naming the material. I am Carothers' biographer and he was dead when the subject of naming nylon came up.
Changed uses to clothing from the collection of individual items, which could never be complete and just invited edit wars. Please comment here instead of revert wars if we need to come to consensus. Wikibofh(talk) 18:40, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Another possible origin for the word "Nylon" is that during WW2, the american soldiers, using it for their parachutes, used to say "Now [that we have these brand new parachutes] You've Lost Old Nippon", which, if you take the first letter of each word, makes the word "NYLON"...
- This play of words was most likely to be plyed after Nylon was already the name and some people tried to figure out where it came from. 22.214.171.124 09:46, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Before DuPont could take its new miracle fiber to the public, however, its leaders had to decide what to call it. In-house researchers had alternately been referring to what would become nylon as Rayon 66, Fiber 66, or “Duparon,” a creative acronym for “DuPont pulls a rabbit out [of] nitrogen/nature/nozzle/naphtha.” In 1938, through a decision-making process that remains somewhat obscure, the company settled on the word nylon. According to Ernest Gladding, manager of the Nylon Division in 1941, the name had originally been “Nuron,” which not only implied novelty but cleverly spelled “no run” backwards. Unfortunately, Nuron and other closely related words posed trademark conflicts, so the division proposed “Nilon.” Changing the i to a y removed any ambiguity surrounding pronunciation, and “nylon” was born. The company then decided not to trademark the name, hoping instead to encourage consumers to think of nylon as a generic preexisting material, like wood or glass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 20:37, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Nylon 6 vs Nylon 6,6
The two companies agreed to a full patent exchange and a seperation of the sales areas in 1939 because DuPont and IG Farben saw that the difference of the two products was marginal and the competition would only lower the income from the product. This should also be in the text somewhere. Also that both polymeres where sold as Nylon. In 1952 the name Perlon was created to make a difference. Stone 09:54, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I have added the melting point range for the family as found at http://www.machinedesign.com/BDE/materials/bdemat2/bdemat2_29.html to the page. I realise that this is a family of compounds, but people generally think of a single substance called 'Nylon' and as such I would consider it to be useful to have a rough indication of the melting temperatures on this page.
Request for content addition: physical/chemical properties
I don't know how complicated a response to this could become, given that a family of substances is addressed by the term "Nylon", but I think a block of content describing physical properties would be a good addition to the article. A few things that come to mind might be mechanical strength ("tensile strength" was requested above already) and chemical properties such as resistance to solvents, etc. -thanks, Onceler 22:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
It would indeed be good to have a set of physical propoerties to start with (melting point, moisture pickup density etc) follosed by another table of mechanical properties.--Oldboltonian (talk) 20:34, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
the article about WWII historical fiber percentage says cotton was 80%, wool plus manufactured fibers 20% at the outset of the war. That can't be correct because it doesn't mention hemp. Hemp was in significant use during the war; the US govt made a film called "Hemp For Victory" to help encourage farmers to grow it. -- Akb4 07:36, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
PA 6 and 66 draw
About PA 6.6:
"Since each monomer in this copolymer has the same reactive group on both ends, the direction of the amide bond reverses between each monomer..."
And about PA 6:
"The peptide bond within the caprolactam is broken with the exposed active groups on each side being incorporated into two new bonds as the monomer becomes part of the polymer backbone. In this case, all amide bonds lie in the same direction..."
So, were the chains PA 6 / 66 drawn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nylon6_and_Nylon_66.png) correctly? In there, both amide group are in the same direction. I would like to know...
news article for consideration
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070319/LIFE/703190303/-1/NLETTER01 --188.8.131.52 10:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I saw a documentary on nylon on German television and they stated that th name came from New York and London, but the claim was that the date of the patent was the same in both cities. That would be February 16, 1937. I can't find any information for a patent in London. Anyone else hear this story ??? TinyMark 13:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I've heard of it, but it is an urban legend: Rmg12 20:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
The Mylar article states "Metallized nylon (or "foil") balloons used for floral arrangements and parties are often called 'Mylar'," implying that the material to make these balloons is not the same as Mylar. However, the balloon article links to the Mylar article in describing that type of balloon, implying that it is Mylar. Nowhere that I can see is there any description of what 'metalized nylon' is and how it differs from Mylar. Is it just a form of thin-film deposition applied to nylon? Somewhere there needs to be that description, probably on the nylon page, and the Mylar and balloon pages need to be clarified (are they made of Mylar or metalized nylon?).
The citation to the patents could link directly to the patents. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_patent —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 15:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
- For consistency with the electrical conductivity article. --Wizard191 (talk) 18:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
-Calcium Chloride in ethanol mixture.
Souce. http://books.google.com/books?id=CF_-xp9iKHcC&pg=PT269&lpg=PT269&dq=what+solvent+welds+glues++nylon&source=bl&ots=R-b63yJeP9&sig=IUe6TVtjztIyUfAXzpBoIlurrc8&hl=en&ei=-gkFStTHJJSuMtj-pKMD&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7#PPT269,M1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 05:11, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
...committed suicide during the last year of his life...
Chemistry - concepts of nylon production
This whole article needs work. The referenced section is particularily egregious. Being "better" (etc.) is not a concept. Using the word "concept" is simply WRONG and ill describes what it is the authors are attempting (and failing IMHO) to say. This section is a COMPARISON of the polymers resulting from two different SYNTHETIC REACTIONS (with different but similar reagents and products and only distantly related to manufacture) of N-6 to N-6,6. Being better, higher, lower, more or less are not concepts - nor are they characteristics!! THey are comparative properties. Not properties, COMPARATIVE PROPERTIES. This is obvious. It is also not in evidence here. Ida changed it myself if I coulda...18.104.22.168 (talk) 18:00, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
If I recall correctly, Nylon is the material that is used in synthetic strings for orchestra instruments. Can someone please find a source or two to confirm this? --22.214.171.124 (talk) 23:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thomastik-Infeld was an early manufacturer of synthetic violin strings, and continues to make Perlon strings for violin family instruments. Other synthetic materials are also used. __ Just plain Bill (talk) 00:35, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
I read as a kid that Nylon was named this way because it was developed by a scientist from London and one from New York so they joined the names of the two cities into NY-Lon.
Is there any truth to that, could someone research that?
And if it's false, could someone put it in the article that it's false?
Merge with Polyamide
Other meanings of the word nylon apart, polyamide is synonymous with nylon, therefore I see no reason to maintain separate articles, and propose to merge these pages.--Oldboltonian (talk) 11:54, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
- Err.... No. Plenty of polyamides that are very far from being Nylon. If you want one obvious example, Kevlar and the aramids are still polyamides just as much as Nylon is. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:57, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Restructuring this article
Structure of this article is all over the place - I will try to make a cohesive and consistent framework
If Duralon is a PTFE/PET/Glass/Epoxy composite, why is it called an "Other Form" of nylon here?
- Duralon is just Nylon (both of which are tradenames, so maybe call it polyamide instead) made by the Duromer corporation. They make a range of them, 6, 66, 12 and filled grades, just as for Nylons made elsewhere. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:39, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
- See that Rexnord use it as a tradename too, for PTFE / glass / epoxy composite bearings. These are a composite, not a single polymer. Deserves a footnote here in a Duralon section to avoid confusion, but as it's not any polyamide polymer, it doesn't belong here directly. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:01, 26 August 2016 (UTC)