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Largest Metro[edit]

That Cleveland is the largest metropolitan area in Ohio is a misleading technicality that relies on the fact that areas of the Cincinnati MSA spill into bordering states, thereby negating the entire Cincinnati MSA from contention. By this standard, Buffalo would be the largest metropolitan area in the state of New York because portions of the New York City MSA extend into New Jersey and Connecticut.

Cincinnati is both the largest metropolitan area based in the state of Ohio as well as the largest metropolitan area occurring in the state of Ohio. I believe that the Cincinnati MSA should replace the Cleveland MSA as the largest metropolitan area in Ohio. If for any reason this is not allowed, Cincinnati should at minimum be listed alongside Cleveland as the largest metropolitan area in Ohio, with the current footnote remaining in citation beside Cleveland.

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References

  1. ^ "Population" (PDF). greaterohio.org. 
  2. ^ "Forbes Cincinnati". 
  3. ^ "Forbes Cleveland". 

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.102.125.13 (talk) 01:41, 19 January 2015‎

I think the footnote text makes this sufficiently clear:
According to the U.S. Census July 2013 Annual Estimate, Greater Cleveland is the largest Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) that is entirely within Ohio, with a population of 2,064,725; and Greater Cincinnati is the largest MSA that is at least partially within Ohio, with a population of 2,137,406, approximately 25% of which is in Indiana or Kentucky. Which MSA is the largest in Ohio depends on the context.
Editors proposing to change this should review Talk:Ohio/Archive 2#Largest Metro, where this was discussed in some detail years ago. TJRC (talk) 02:33, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Agree with TJRC. Because it uses "in Ohio" and this article is about the state, it restricts the topic to the borders of the state. That Cincinnati has a larger MSA when outside areas are included should definitely be mentioned, but since it has "in Ohio", it's different since Cincinnati actually has the third largest MSA inside the borders of the state (1.6 million) behind both Cleveland (2.1 million) and Columbus (1.8 million). On top of that, using CSA or Media market as a measurement, Cleveland is significantly larger (3.4 million vs. 2.3 million for Cincinnati).
The Buffalo-New York example is different because even within the state of New York, the NYC metro area is significantly larger. Within just the city boundaries of New York, all within the state of New York, there are over 8 million residents. The entire Buffalo MSA is about 1.1 million people. Manhattan alone is larger than that at 1.6 million people. --JonRidinger (talk) 02:46, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

I concur with the fact that Cleveland has the largest MSA that is entirely within state boundaries, but considering the fact that the Cincinnati MSA is the largest metropolitan area based in Ohio as well as the largest MSA occurring within Ohio, I do not believe that Cleveland alone should be listed as the largest MSA in the state. In fact, the discussion from several years ago (linked to above) is overwhelmingly in favor of acknowledging this fact, so I propose that Cincinnati should at least be listed alongside Cleveland as Ohio's co-largest MSA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.102.125.13 (talk) 03:40, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't have a problem listing both in the infobox since the footnote is there. As for "occurring within Ohio" I'm not totally sure what you mean here. If 25% (roughly 600,000 people) of the MSA is outside the state, how does it "occur" in Ohio? --JonRidinger (talk) 04:02, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

I appreciate your willingness to include Cincinnati in the infobox. This may just be semantics, but in my opinion an MSA 'occurs' within any state from which its' metropolitan area incorporates counties. Considering the Cincinnati MSA is based in Ohio, I don't know what could preclude the Cincinnati MSA from occurring in Ohio.

Quoting your own statistics, 75% of the Cincinnati MSA population is in Ohio, so we both consider the Cincinnati metropolitan area to be of occurance in Ohio counties.

Yeah, probably is semantics. I guess "occur" isn't a word I would use since MSAs, like any Census number, is a measurement taken at one time of a given year of where people live (basically a snapshot from a specific moment in time), not something that is alive in itself. I wouldn't consider all of the 2.1 million population of the Cincinnati area "occurring" in Ohio counties either. The measurement from the Census Bureau uses Cincinnati as the principal city, so the MSA is based, centered, or anchored in Cincinnati, but in terms of what kind of action is occurring within the MSA and of that within Ohio? The population numbers don't show that on their own. All we know is that approximately 1.6 million of the 2.1 people who live in the Cincinnati MSA also live in Ohio. If this was just about comparing MSAs, it wouldn't be an issue, but because this article is specific to the state of Ohio, anything that is outside the state isn't counted as part of it even though it may be grouped with something within the state (similar to other metro areas that include parts of neighboring states). If I used "occurs" I would say the Cincinnati MSA mostly or largely occurs within Ohio. That said, it is an unusual case that will only be rectified when one of the MSAs in Ohio has a clear population majority both overall and within the state. --JonRidinger (talk) 04:59, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2015[edit]

In section Law & Government --> National Politics, link 125 is broken. Also, the statement that cites this link is incorrect: it says that Obama won 4.59% more of the popular vote than did McCain. Actually 4.59 percentage points rather than 4.59 percent - this distinction represents a significant number of votes.

Please fix link to http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/elections/Research/electResultsMain/2008ElectionResults/pres110408.aspx

Please change "then-Senator Barack Obama of Illinois won 51.50% of Ohio's popular vote, 4.59% more than his nearest rival, Senator John McCain of Arizona." to "then-Senator Barack Obama of Illinois won 51.50% of Ohio's popular vote, 4.59 percentage points more than his nearest rival, Senator John McCain of Arizona (46.91% of Ohio's popular vote)." 165.127.8.254 (talk) 20:14, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 05:12, 10 March 2015 (UTC)


Temperature[edit]

The lowest recorded temperature was −39 °F (−39 °C), at Milligan on February 10, 1899.[35]

this can´t be right. Please correct the Temperature. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.60.240.59 (talk) 10:25, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done - The −39 °F figure is cited to a highly reliable source, the National Climatic Data Center, part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), a federal agency. See here. There's no reason to doubt its veracity. A quick check shows that −39 °F correctly converts to −39.44 °C, or −39 °C when correctly rounded. TJRC (talk) 15:10, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2015[edit]

Please change "Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine" to "Northeast Ohio Medical University." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Ohio_Medical_University) Thanks! Weezey724 (talk) 17:38, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done --JonRidinger (talk) 20:09, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

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