Talk:Ohrid

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Capital[edit]

"Ohrid was capital of the Bulgarian empire. Above the city still remain the ruins of the stronghold of Tsar Samuil. As an episcopal city, Ohrid was an important cultural center within the Bulgarian empire during the Middle Ages, which still can be seen in the numerous churches and monastery buildings"

About churches of Ohrid[edit]

First we are talking about Middle Ages which ends at 15 century Now if somebody reads this article, and have never been there he will assume:

1) Ohrid was part of Bulgarian empire after 1018

2) It was a center of a Bulgarian church after 1018

3) The Bulgarians build many churches after 1018


However the fact of the matter is:

1) Ohrid was not part of Bulgarian empire after 1018 with a very brief exception in early 13th century – couple of years.

2) There was no Bulgarian church in Ohrid after 1018

3) There isn’t a single church (at least major) built by Bulgarians

4) There are no churches dating 8-10th century


The oldest church (not counting early-Christian church) is Church of St. Sophia built around 1030. The vast majority of churches are built in the 13 and 14th centuries. Therefore unless proved wrong I will insist on the previous version. I am sorry but Ohrid is not just part of Bulgarian history. Also why was the name origin removed? What’s so controversial about that? --Cigor 18:37, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Ohrid is more Slavic/Byzantine/Roman. They say there are 365 churches in Ohrid, so im not sure about the Bulgarians building any. And was Czar Samuel Byzantine or Bulgarian? I think that hes Byzantine but i am not sure.70.27.144.22 (talk) 21:44, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

There is an article about him - I suggest you read it.--Laveol T 15:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


The movie, Before the Rain, was filmed in Ohrid. I dont know if this is worth mentioning...

Part of it was filmed around the lake, but it was mainly shot on location across various points throughout Macedonia. Though no specific region is mentioned in the film (Skopje is seen from the air but is soon faded out as the main character heads by bus for the village), the idea of the film being presented in the way was to send a Macedonian postcard to the world. Evlekis (Евлекис) 08:16, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

What is Ohrid really known for ?[edit]

The leading paragraph of this page says "The town is notable for being the location where the Ohrid Agreement was signed."

I am sure this is exactly what Ohrid is *infamous* for. The agreeement is a shame for all Macedonians, and we all know how it was signed. Does this forced agreement deserve to be mentioned in the leading paragraph about Ohrid ? Isn't there anything else more important than that ? Who wrote this page anyway ?

Goce Smilevski, Bitola, Republic of Macedonia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.125.180.95 (talk) 07:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Goce, feel free to move the information to some other part of the page - just don't remove it completely. Just so you know, most editors will undo any controversial edit that comes from an IP adress. You may want to consider getting an account. BalkanFever 07:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Isn't Ohrid considered the Macedonian Jerusalem? The town of the many churches and so on. This should be worth mentioning in the leading section. --Laveol T 11:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I added that, but the Ohrid agreement part looks like crap now. I don't know where else it could go. BalkanFever 11:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I'd remove it. It does not seem that important or at least not in a way that could be well represented in this section. --Laveol T 12:49, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
OK BalkanFever 03:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

References[edit]

I just wanted to put a specialized source(s) and not a city guide source.Ancient history is properly referenced with specific type of sources not city guides.Megistias (talk) 18:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
A link ref is on the President of the Republic of MAcedonia and that means that the ref is useless.This is on history.Megistias (talk) 18:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
The ref are wrong and should be removeddiff.This is what applies.
  • Oseriates, "lakes"; akin to Old Church Slavonic ozero (Serb-Croat jezero), Latvian ezers, OPruss assaran, Gk Akéroun "river in the underworld".So nothing to do with that desar....
  • Wilkes, J. J. The Illyrians, 1992,ISBN 0631198075,Page 99:"... 99 victory would be theirs if they received Cadmus as king. After this had come about as foretold, Cadmus and Harmonia ruled over them and founded the towns of Bouthoe (Budva) and Lychnidus (Ohrid). ..."

Megistias (talk) 19:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

The article is full of city guide links presented as sources.Someone remove them.Megistias (talk) 19:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
And they are in Slavic as well.Tourist guides...Megistias (talk) 08:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
This fact has already been discussed.Tourist guides are inappropriate.Proper sources will be added.Megistias (talk) 11:42, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
You added a huge number of Travel guides.diff and inappropriate sources.Megistias (talk) 11:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Geography of Ohrid?[edit]

Seems like the article is concentrated on the History of Ohrid. There's no word of geography, climate, etc. So, as an information, Ohrid has a pleasant Mediteranean-like climate, with average Jan temp. of 3 degrees Celsious, and avge July temp. of 24 degrees Celsious. Rainfall is about 700 mm a m2 per year, and on its coast can be seen a lot of PALMTREES, and other mediteranean flora. Cheers.24.86.127.209 (talk) 05:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

For whoever wants to read about Ohrid's climate, here's a link to it: http://www.world-climates.com/city-climate-ohrid-macedonia-europe/ Would have edited this data myself in the article if I wasn't so busy with having no time to study now how to do it; So, for the lovers of Ohrid's geographic features (climate), please use the link above; Regards;50.98.147.64 (talk) 02:22, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Confusion between English and Macedonian wikipedias[edit]

I'm confused because the english wiki has this article Saint Panteleimon, Ohrid that looks to be referring to the same church as the one on the macedonian wiki labeled as: mk:Светите Климент и Пантелејмон. Why is there a difference in the naming? Which is correct? --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 23:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Infobox of UNESCO World Heritage Sites[edit]

There has been some confusion regarding the name used in the above infobox, as long as some controversial, to say the least, editing patterns (mainly by anon users but unfortunately not only) for quite some time now. I think that we should treat it as any other article that falls clearly within the scope of the United Nations, especially since, by its own nature, an infobox require somewhat a sense of formality, of properness with a generous twist of conciseness. Therefore I think that the only appropriate name for the | State Party = variable is the name the organisation and ultimately, the state itself participates with i.e. in this case, "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia". We might also opt-in for a capital "F", if we chose to strictly follow the naming convention of the official website here (or as part of a list of member countries here). But I am not so sure about that one, so I will leave the "the former" bit un-capitalized, for the time being. Just a thought. --157.228.x.x (talk) 05:47, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Demographics section[edit]

Other cities have one such as Bitola, would it be wrong to add one here?Reaper7 (talk) 18:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Zlate Perovski source for "Macedonian Jerusalem[edit]

First of all, Zlate Petrovski is not a reliable source. He doesn't even have university degree. He have completed his higher education as machine engineer and currently (and the latest 23 years) works in "General Motors". So I'm moving this claim as "eventually". Here's a biographical movie in Macedonian about Zlate Petrovski: Portret na makedonski iselenik vo SAD - Zlate Petrovski

On the other hand the source for the "Bulgarian Jerusalem" are Prof. Dr. Biljana Vankovska (Faculty of Philosophy, University of Skopje) and Prof. Håkan Wiberg (PhD, Danish Institute for International Studies). Also there was a source from Trandafil Krastanov (PHD, Senior Scientist, Head of "Manuscripts and Incunabula" department at the "Church Historical and Archive Institute" at the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences. --StanProg (talk) 09:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources[edit]

Please, first provide a reliable source, then make changes. Electrician's book with higher education in electronics is not a reliable source. I've provided sources about "Bulgarian Jerusalem" by Macedonian, Bulgarian and Dutch scientists and you have only provided an electrician's claims. According to the wikipedia rules Wikipedia:Reliable sources the "Macedonian Jerusalem" should not even be included, as according to the provided sources it's a fringe theory.

If tomorrow Ohrid is in Albania, should the "Albanian Jerusalem" be referred first?

I'm reverting the change, and if you do not provide reliable source about "Macedonian Jerusalem" it will be removed as a fringe theory. --StanProg (talk) 10:35, 5 September 2009 (UTC) --StanProg (talk) 10:35, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Jerusalem[edit]

Ok, since there's been a pretty hot edit-war going on for some time, I'd suggest the participants start using the talkpage prior to any further reverts. I can give you my 5 cents - I've heard Ohrid being called the Balkan Jerusalem. It'd be 1. More reliable since I can provide you with a third-party source for it. 2. It'd be NPOV since Ohrid is in the Balkans and the name itself does not represent a claim to the city. 3. It'd stop the edit-war. That's all for now.--Laveol T 13:45, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I have heard that Ohrid is called Balkan or Macedonian Jerusalem... so we could write like that ... or just leave like this (which i don't like it) ... and to all Bulgarians I am sorry about the today's accident that happen in the Ohrid lake and the lost of your people :S :S :S ... When you see all in all ... we are all people and we have to have respect each other ... no matter if we are Macedonians, Bulgarians, Serbs or etc. 1111tomica (talk) 14:54, 5 September 2009 (UTC)1111tomica1111tomica (talk) 14:54, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

"I've heard" doesn't count. Please, provide reliable sources. Electrical engineer's opinion about a historical name/term is not reliable at all. --StanProg (talk) 20:37, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

TERRIBLE NEWS![edit]

OHRID, Macedonia (Reuters) - Most of the 15 people who drowned on Saturday when a boat carrying more than 70 tourists sank on a Macedonia's Lake Ohrid were Bulgarians, Macedonia's interior minister said. Published: September 5, 2009 Jingby (talk) 18:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I know :S ... for that I wrote the comment in the previous section... That's horrible people... I am deep sorry and the owner of the yacht is a big JERK!!! 1111tomica (talk) 18:30, 5 September 2009 (UTC)1111tomica1111tomica (talk) 18:30, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Justiniana prima[edit]

Justiniana prima was Scupi not Ohrid but there was some Eclessiastical rights that changed hands and some other issue between Justiniana prima(Scupi) and Ohrid.If someone finds it he can put the thing into context.Megistias (talk) 17:58, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I've checked in several sources and according to them "Justiniana prima" is in South Serbia (7 km from Lebane). --StanProg (talk) 20:45, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I am leaving this to you.Megistias (talk) 20:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

someone should correct the ecclesiastical history it was written with the equation ohrid=justiniana prima in mind87.202.30.29 (talk) 07:43, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

POV pushing and fringe theories[edit]

I'd like to ask the user User:1111tomica to read the the Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources section and especially this "Academic and peer-reviewed publications are highly valued and usually the most reliable sources in areas where they are available, such as history, medicine and science. Material from reliable non-academic sources may also be used in these areas, particularly if they are respected mainstream publications." I'm removing the fringe theory again. --StanProg (talk) 08:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

IPA[edit]

I have amended the description to place /d/ and not /t/ and the end of the line. I know it is colloquial for all people in Macedonia to go lazy on end of word voiced consonants but it is not a strandard practice, I don't honestly believe it is in Bulgaria either. In Macedonia or former Serbo-Croat zones, it is particularly important to speak as something is written because failure to do so violates the phonetical system which the respective nations all cherish. In addition, there is no way you can present national news and say "Ohrit i Makedonski Brot, Belgrat i Novi Sat, Zagrep i Potgorica". It was cause an outrage. Evlekis (Евлекис) 08:08, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Typos[edit]

I have noticed the name of the Ohrid outflow river shown as Black Drin, whereas for Macedonian people it is written and pronounced as Black (Crn) DRIM. The name of the mountain between Lake Ohrid and Lake Prespa is GALIČICA, not Galcica. Those are presumably typos, but nevertheless worth correcting.79.126.213.44 (talk) 19:21, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Black Drin is the name in English, but I don't see nor the river nor "Galcica" in this article. --StanProg (talk) 21:02, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

How is Ohrid pronounced in English?[edit]

Is it pronounced /ɔkɹid/ or /əʉɹid/? 121.219.67.50 (talk) 12:24, 5 November 2011 (UTC) (sorry, these transcriptions are in Australian English)

Relevance[edit]

What do you mean by 'it's not relevant'? After all, there are almost 4,000 people in the city speaking Albanian. Surely it should be included? Ujkrieger (talk) 18:01, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

It is included in the Name section. Albanian is not an official language in the town or municipality of Ohrid; "Ohër" is not found on signs within the city and was never the official name of the city historically. Ohrid is the predominant name of the town and the alternative names are best dealt with in the separate Name section, as per WP:NCGN. --Local hero talk 18:14, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your neutral reply. I understand why it has not been included in the lead. Ujkrieger (talk) 17:35, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Sure, no problem. --Local hero talk 21:43, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

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