Talk:Olympic Stadium (Montreal)
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- 1 Stadium Seating Capacity
- 2 Trivia Section
- 3 Kevlar roof
- 4 Tour de Montréal
- 5 Official name of stadium
- 6 Australia Pavilion
- 7 More included
- 8 The tower
- 9 Defunct or active?
- 10 Stade Saputo
- 11 '76 Olympics photo?
- 12 ESPN note
- 13 Inclined lift
- 14 The Wall
- 15 Tallest stadium
- 16 Alouettes to abandon Olympic Stadium?
- 17 Notable events
- 18 Construction Delays
- 19 1978 World Junior Speed Skating Championships
- 20 Pre-season exhibition games
- 21 Why are we listing the results of soccer matches here?
Stadium Seating Capacity
This article suggests that Olympic stadium has the largest seating capacity of any similar facility in Canada. This was once true, but not any more. In the late 1980's, the stadium was reconfigured to better suit the primary tenant, the Montreal Expos baseball club. Prior to this reconfiguration, the stadium would seat approximately 70,000 in fixed seats (it now seats approximately 56,000, as indicated in the main article). This current capacity puts Olympic stadium third in Canada, behind both B.C. Place and Commonwealth stadium (Edmonton) in terms of permanent seating capacity (both facilities seat approximately 60,000). Olympic stadium can still have temporary seating added for major events (such as the Grey Cup), bringing it's capacity to approximately 65,000. However, these seats cannot be counted as fixed or permanent seating. Posthocergopropterhoc 16:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
From the article:
Among its options for the future of the stadium, the Quebec government is known to be studying its demolition, a project that would cost a further $500 million and be very technically complex.
Why would it be so expensive to demolish the stadium? I mean, I know you have to protect the surrounding buildings, but $500 million? That seems insanely expensive. Funnyhat 06:35, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
- Welcome to la Belle Province...
- Haha. Anyway I dont know if its true but It could be since theres a metro line running right underneath of it i dont think they could just drop the tower and let it crash down, maybe it could collapse the tunnel, also its a huge complex connected to the biodome with many animals in it, so maybe $500 million is possible.
A fourth replacement roof is being considered as of March 2006.
I do not know what that 4th replacement roof will look like, but I envision that roof as a retractable roof NOT like the first one. Jim856796 15:15, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- On the news (CFCF) they said it was going to be a permenant concrete roof, so they could hold events in the winter, but they needed to reinforce the tower to carry the extra load, but no one wants to pay for it.
On the page it says that they sold the FieldTurf system for $1 million. If they did that how are they going to have anymore sporting events? Was the field turf not required?
- They use the really ugly old AstroTurf :( , as seen in the 2006 CFL playoffs. MartinToupin 16:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- More OIB glory... I understand they bought new turf for the 2007 FIFA U20 championship this spring... but didn't check with FIFA to make sure it was an approved surface. You know what's coming, right? FIFA didn't approve the turf, so they had to buy replacement turf again just weeks before the tournament... bang goes another million or so. Posthocergopropterhoc 16:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
The sourced article (dated oct 2005) says that the Olympic Stadium would be paid off by the end of June. This one (dated today, July 17 2006) says "Montreal will finally see relief from payments on the stadium in a couple of months". Anyone know an accurate date?
- News reports in November of 2006 indicated that the stadium debt had finally been paid off by the city. Posthocergopropterhoc 16:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Why is the size of the roof be specified as a length? Shouldn't it be an area, therefore in feet squared or meters squared? 220.127.116.11 17:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Also related to the kevlar roof, the article states that the roof is made of "over 60,000 square feet (18,000 square metres) of kevlar". Obviously one of these numbers is incorrect. As the source of the information is not immediately obvious, I would suggest that 60,000 square feet is likely correct (meaning the correct metric measurement should be 5,575 square meters). I will make this change. --ZoQuo 20:39, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Tour de Montréal
I've searched wikipedia inside and out and found no article about the stadium's Tour de Montréal. The tower is barely mentioned in the Olympic Stadium article. The tallest inclined structure in the world more than deserves its own page...
I believe the height data shown for the Olympic Stadium's tower (175m) is incorrect... the official stats page of the tower list its "height above the ground" as 164m, not the 175m frequently quoted. My guess is that when the tower was designed, it was supposed to be 175m tall (which is why that number is frequently quoted), but there was a redesign before it's completion in 1987 which reduced it's height - the reason for that was to reduce its weight & cost, which was also helped by using steel construction for the top half instead of the concrete in the original design. Kilkenny71 (talk) 19:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Also, the "citation needed" in the History/Construction section, is that for the completion date, or for the "as originally designed" statement? A history of the Olympic Park, including various completion dates, is on the official website. From that page: "November 21, 1987 marked the official opening of the funicular and Observatory at the top of the Montréal Tower." Kilkenny71 (talk) 19:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Official name of stadium
Quite a number of anonymous edits have been recently made to the article changing the name of the stadium to "Le Stade Olympique", the French language spelling. The official name, from the time it was built, has always been the English name of "The Olympic Stadium". Furthermore it conflicts with the article's title of "Olympic Stadium (Montreal)", and I don't even need mention this is an English encyclopedia. Yes, granted there is a French way of spelling it, and among French speakers in this province this is how it is probably referred to by most, but to the international world (and English speakers in Quebec) it is referred to by its official English name, which should be reflected in this article. Please leave it as such. This anonymous name changing seems politically motivated.
The article on the Eiffel Tower doesn't call it "La tour d'eiffel" (other than a mention of how its pronounced in French). The Sun Life Building in Montreal isn't called "Bâtiment de la vie du soleil". Now in the case of say Blue Bonnets race track, the name was officially changed to Hippodrome de Montreal and so that is the article's title and how it's referred to in there.--Apple2gs 21:11, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- not to get into the politics of things, but examining ticket stubs going back to 2003 the stubs to events as of november 2004 start reffering to the stadium as "le stade au parc olymique" or "the stadium at olympic park". According to calls made to the olympic installations board at the time the answer was they were changing the name to open the door for naming rights to be sold, As far as I can tell the name right now is "the stadium at the olympic park" just my 2 cents soyonsexpositifs 12:09, 26 september 2007
- See pages on Olympic stadiums in Munich and Rome. Even though this is the english Wiki, they still use the offical German and Italian languages. The official name of the stadium has been the French name Le Stade Olympic. It doesnt matter how it is referred to by English speakers either inside or outside Quebec. 18.104.22.168 17:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- User Apple2gs doesn't have the first idea and can't get a name right, not unlike Bens De Luxe Delicatessen & Restaurant. The Olympic Stadium is owned by the RIO which operates the Parc olympique (or Olympic Park.) So, it is correct to summize that the real name of the stadium is "le stade au parc olymique" or "the stadium at olympic park". This clearly shows up on the RIO website and literature ... but, in one annual report they do mention the "stade olympique." Now, bear in mind, since the PQ and the charter of the French language (Bill 101) that Quebec is not bilingual, certainly not English, but is UNILINGUAL French. So in terms of official names of property own by the Quebec Government there IS NO ENGLISH! I should know, I saw the first game in the Big 0 (Canada vs USSR soccer the day after the opening ceremony) the first football game (the Als beat the Riders) and the first concert (ELP, and then later Pink Floyd.) I washed all this down with a smoked meat/chopped liver combo and beer at Ben's. 22.214.171.124 23:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Go pick up any recently published newspaper, magazine or book, it is, and always has been referred to as "The Olympic Stadium" -- not "Le Stade au Parc Olymique" or even "Le Stade Olympic" (except in the French media, which is of course the correct translation). Still, it wouldn't surprise me if the Quebec government has officially renamed it in their continuing xenophobic effort to erratic all traces of the English language from the province (as you so clearly point out). We don't need to expand that mean spirited pettiness to the Internet, and I don't think the rest of the international community welcomes it either. That said, I and most others welcome a mention of the French spelling of the stadium (and a mention of its new name, if it has indeed been officially changed) but for the sake of recognition and the fact Wikipedia is an ENGLISH encyclopedia, the name "Olympic Stadium" needs to stand. Again, look no further than the Eiffel Tower article as an example. Though if you'd like, go ahead and change that name too and see what others have to say about it.--Apple2gs 01:43, 27
September 2007 (UTC)
As the stadium is owner by the Government of Quebec and located in the Province of Quebec, the Charter of the French Language law (Bill 101) means that the official name of the stadium is the french name. By law no English names are to use used in the province. In keeping with other Olympic stadia on the English wikipedia, they are all refered by the official name in a language other than english. See Estadio Olímpico Universitario, Stadio Olimpico, Estadi Olímpic Lluís Companys, Stade Olympique Yves-du-Manoir, Olympisch Stadion (Antwerp) and Olympisch Stadion (Amsterdam). 126.96.36.199 12:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- I assume then you will be changing fr:Centre Rogers to fr:Rogers Centre shortly? - BillCJ 17:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Hmmm. It's nearly 3 weeks later, and fr:Centre Rogers has not been moved to fr:Rogers Centre as yet. Very interesting. Anyway, what else can we expect from the people who call Nova Scotia "Nouvelle-Écosse", when "Nova Scotia" is a Latin word that is closer to French than English! I don't hear of the Anglophones agitating to call it "New Scotland"! - BillCJ (talk) 00:38, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
- The whole discussion is an irrelevant waste of time and energy. As you may or may not know, over the past 30 years the province (not nation!) of Quebec has sanctioned soft ethnic cleansing, with the goal of eliminating all traces of the English language and culture for petty reasons. Some of the laws here are so absurdly ridiculous and racist, people from elsewhere think you're kidding when you discuss what goes on here. They even have a government run Language Police, which go around hunting for offensive English signs and free uses of English in public or the workplace. It's like something out of Alice in Wonderland...or should I say Distinctland. Bottomline is some people believe that elimination of English in Quebec should extend onto the Internet. I say ignore them...they're just as invalid here as they are in the real world. Apple2gs (talk) 03:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
From the horse's mouth
I find it interesting that the Govenment of Quebec's own website for the Olympic Park complex refers to the stadium as Olympic Stadium. I hope that settles the issue, at least as far as for those editors who will accept reliable sources. - BillCJ (talk) 04:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
An anon IP editor from the City of Montreal inserted a reference that Tallibert's design was based on the Australia Pavilion at Expo 70 in Osaka. While there is indeed a strong similarity I can find no evidence yet that there's anything more to the story, other than the City of Montreal staffer's intriguing original research. Does anyone know if there's any actual evidence showing that the architect was inspired by this? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
- The IP has posted at Wikipedia:New contributors' help page#Olympic Stadium Montreal. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
- I've restored this edit. Later, when I have time, I'll link to the amazing images.Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:13, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Shawn. I read this comment and I desire to share that this comment I saw it four years ago here. Maybe some user who post that comment in that time can help us to confirm it.Nekko09 (talk) 16:47, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- Such as the Montreal Biodome Peter Horn 17:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- Absolutely. I had meant to remove the redirect from Parc Olympic to this article and create at least a stub for a new Olympic Park article. An Olympic Village article is also needed, as I believe it is a notable structure and design in its own right. Thanks for raising this, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:13, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- Apparently not all that much. An observation deck at the top, two empty lounges (for weddings, parties, etc) and a 181 seat auditorium--the last two sit unused most of the time, they're rental spaces for the public. There's also a lobby (just empty space) on the ground floor with a gift shop that can also be rented for an event. Don't know if there's offices or anything else...seems like just something for tourists to visit. I'm betting much like the stadium itself, the tower sits empty most of the year.--Apple2gs (talk) 21:25, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Defunct or active?
This stadium has been a defunct athletic venue since after the 1976 Summer Olympics and it was converted to baseball and football arena.
Other Olympic venues were converted to sporting arenas:
- Centennial Olympic Stadium - later demolished after the 1996 Summer Paralympics and the site is now called Turner Field for the baseball games. It is the home of Atlanta Braves.
- Stadium Australia - converted to rugby arena after the post-2000 Games, the seating capacity was decreased from 110,000 to 80,000.
- It's not only defunct as an olympic facility, it is now defunct as a sporting stadium too. It ceased as a baseball stadium in 2004, and ceased as a football stadium for the most part--only greycup hosted games are played in it now. The article actually mentions the Alouettes moving back the Molson stadium for all other games (not sure if that was made official yet). It's not even used for trade shows as much in the past because of problems with the roof in winter. It's another white elephant in Montreal, much like Mirabel airport. Both get little use and sit empty most of the year, and seen as hugely expensive mistakes.Apple2gs (talk) 23:55, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Now that the former practice track and field site near the stadium has been replaced by Stade Saputo, should there be a reference, or at least a link, to the new stadium on the Olympic grounds?
Or, for that matter, should there be an entry detailing talk over whether or not the big O will be used by the Montréal Impact for February's home game in the CONCACAF Champions League quarter-finals - or should that wait until, or unless, the venue is confirmed? --Nerroth (talk) 03:56, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a place for news reports, so I do not see a pressing need to cover possible future events.
- I think an article on Olympic Park covering its role in the Olympics, the venues located within the park, and a high-level view of the changes made to them (with links to the articles for each) would be a better place for a link to Saputo stadium. Isaac Lin (talk) 00:32, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
'76 Olympics photo?
- Feelings don't matter, legality does. If you have or can find a Public domain image to add, and it's a decent image, then please do so. If you can't find one, then you'll know why the article doesn't have one as yet! - BillCJ (talk) 02:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Alouettes to abandon Olympic Stadium?
At present, the Montreal Alouettes football team are only part-time tenants of the Olympic Stadium, and as such the article states using it only for late season, playoff and greycup games.
However there is this section in the article: "However, it is widely accepted that the team's success has in fact been due to its decision to return to Molson Stadium. The team will instead renovate Percival Molson Stadium to increase the capacity, which may cause them to abandon Olympic Stadium entirely."
It should be noted the Percival Molson Stadium renovations are to be completed late next month (May 2010). Is there any news on whether they plan to completely and permanently move to Molson Stadium for ALL games? Are they no longer going to be tenants of the Olympic Stadium as of May 2010? If so, the article should be updated to reflect that. Well, if/when made official.-Apple2gs (talk) 06:12, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
One of the very first post-Olympic events held in the stadium saw Emerson, Lake & Palmer shoot their music video for "Fanfare for the Common Man." From what I remember of the video, the stadium was empty and possibly covered in snow. I believe this shoot took place very early in 1977 (read: pretty close to the middle of winter), in conjunction with the group beginning their world tour at the stadium. For non-fans, this was the tour where they played some early shows with an orchestra, but abandoned the idea mid-tour. They were playing stadiums in the first place because of the cost/logistics involved in toting around an orchestra with them. Anyway, I mostly remember watching the video and accompanying info/trivia on Night Flight, which probably quit airing music videos before a lot of you were born. Therefore, this information may be a bit ancient in terms of easily finding a source.RadioKAOS (talk)
The article states that "the stadium was originally slated to be finished in 1972, but the grand opening was cancelled due to a construction workers strike." This is misleading. The chronology of events -- the relationship of cause and effect -- was nothing like what this suggests. There were two consecutive labour strikes: from November of 1974 into January of 1975, and from May of 1975 into October of 1975. These could not possibly have caused a 1972 grand opening to be cancelled. The resolution to award the design work to the French architect Roger Taillibert was not passed in council until April 24, 1973. Although technically "ground was broken" in the second quarter of 1973, this amounted to no more than hammering a few surveyors stakes into the ground. When I saw the site in July of 1973 it was still for the most part an undisturbed empty field. Photographs I took in November of 1975 show the cantilever consoles still under construction and nothing but daylight between them: no stands or roof elements yet in place. Grandmotherfrompeoria (talk) 01:08, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
- The delays were before the 1972 opening, not the second set of delays you mentioned. The information should really be referenced to avoid confusion like this though. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:29, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
I apologize for suggesting that the claim is false. There were delays acquiring the land from previous owners and clearing it of previous structures. Part of these delays were due to a strike by demolition workers. I should have been clearer about what I meant: only that the wording is misleading. Grandmotherfrompeoria (talk) 21:55, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Question: Was that (1978 World Junior Speed Skating Championships) held at this arena or nearby on a stadium with lesser capacity ? My references to this is these 3 Websites: www.SpeedSkatingStats.com, www.SpeedSkatingNews.info and Archived version dated 2005-March-1 from www.Skatebase.com. So would it be correct to use this article to link it as the stadium of this championship-article ? Regards Migrant (talk) 01:43, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
- Ping, does anyone know about this for clarifying for the article ? Regards Migrant (talk) 22:10, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
For posterity, here is a link to our coversation on Wikiproject Quebec regarding this matter. - Sweet Nightmares 17:39, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
- Found a local newspaper (The Gazette) source from the event days online with this article Eric, Beth not Heiden in Junior speed skating which was in that paper Monday February 6, 1978. Ps. I also updated the link in the previos statement from SweetNightmares to the archived page, since the old link was a redirect. Regards Migrant (talk) 23:51, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Pre-season exhibition games
Regarding this edit: personally I have no issue with it, but I appreciate those unfamiliar with the sport may benefit from the adjective "exhibition" to describe the series. My edit was simply an attempt to separate the two facts in question: when the games took place, and whether or not they were part of exhibition play. (For example, non-baseball fans might consider the Dodgers–Diamondbacks series in Australia to be pre-season games, in spite of their being part of the official schedule.) Can the interested editors please discuss this matter on this talk page, rather than continually revert each other? isaacl (talk) 13:17, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
- I think I am inclined to prefer a variant of 70.27's wording. I would change pre-season to spring training though: Ten years after the last Expos game at Olympic Stadium the Toronto Blue Jays played two spring training games against the New York Mets on March 28-29, 2014. "Spring training" strongly implies that this series was not part of regular play. But for added clarity, another potential phrasing could be Ten years after the last Expos game at Olympic Stadium the Toronto Blue Jays played two spring training games against the New York Mets. Played March 28-29, 2014, the games drew a combined attendance of 96,000 and concluded the pre-season schedule for both teams.
- If possible, a sentence about the impact of the series on the Big O would help for historical context. I can't remember - did the Jays indicate an interest in coming back in future years? Resolute 13:29, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
- Regarding your second proposal, I do not favour it as it uses a more passive phrasing. Maybe something like Ten years after the last Expos game at Olympic Stadium, the Toronto Blue Jays and New York Mets concluded their 2014 spring training schedule with a two-game series at the stadium, drawing a combined total attendance of 96,000. I am also fine with your first proposal.
- I don't recall what was said after the series; certainly before it, the Jays expressed interest in returning if attendance went well. It was an event promoted by Evenko, the Canadiens' event promotion company that promotes the Bell Centre events, so its level of interest (or another promotion company) is probably key, but with the robust attendance I imagine they would like to stage another series in Montreal. isaacl (talk) 13:47, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
- I have made the change. Thanks to everyone for their input! isaacl (talk) 14:48, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Why are we listing the results of soccer matches here?
- No objections here. We don't list the statistics for the Super Bowl games played at the stadiums they were played in, so I'm not sure why we list every soccer game at the stadium they were held in. I've seen this at many other stadium articles too. Perhaps a list article can be created if editors feel the info needs to be present in addition to the stats from the relevant Olympics and World Cup articles. All that needs to be listed here is a section on the Olympic and World Cup soccer events and any significant games that took place there (such as an upset or championship game), but not great detail about the games. That's not what this article is about; it's about the stadium, not every event ever held in the stadium. --JonRidinger (talk) 13:40, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
- I agree that it is beyond the scope of this article to list all soccer match results within it. Thanks for starting this discussion; I had been meaning to do so but had put it off. isaacl (talk) 16:15, 22 June 2015 (UTC)