Talk:Onager (weapon)

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More info needed[edit]

more info needed

Can someone blend this with mangonel? These are the same thing! tofor

An onager did not fire at the same angle as a mangonel, a mangonel fired at an angle so the projectiles could clear walls, whereas an onager fired straight forward.
Still, they're similar (at least similar enough that Age of Empires II makes the onager available as an upgrade to the mangonel). I agree with the merge. --Gray PorpoisePhocoenidae, not Delphinidae 20:54, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't give a Dodo Bird about age of empires, but a onager and a mangonel are not the same thing!-- Lee Tru. 00:57, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I seriously doubt any torsion, tension or counterweight siege engines were usually used primarily as straight-firing weapons. Even a modern rifle, depending on model, you have to put a bit of angle on (on top of-such chemical-explosion powered weapons' tendency to angle a touch high out of the barrel of its own accord) by the time you reach a range of about 200 meters (simplifying somewhat; I don't think the Barret M82 .50 caliber rifle is particularly useful in discussion here69.200.228.170 (talk) 22:34, 17 November 2015 (UTC)).
 But nevermind all that. It's not clear to me from the description here that this weapon is any different from the more well-known CATAPULTA of Roman times. This page would be much more useful if it specified the difference between the two, say, offering a drawing of the other, more common, 'engine'. That would be more useful to the reader, no? Also, closely related pages sometimes mistranslate the engine as a being a type of 'artillery', rather than, say, 'siege engine', i.e. as when discussing its use by archimedes. that's more misleading than helpful--just to add69.200.228.170 (talk) 22:15, 17 November 2015 (UTC) (talk) 22:34, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Creation Date[edit]

How about someone mention when onagers were invented? Seems to be a pretty basic piece of information.

Actually, I think I'll mark this a stub. It seems rather short. --Simetrical 01:24, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Nice Picture Available[edit]

There is a nice picture available in another Wiki. See [1]. I don't know how to add it to the english article, can anybody help? Gaius Cornelius 18:02, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

It has been done!

Category:Roman siege engines vs. Category:Siege engines[edit]

Category:Roman siege engines is itself a category within Category:Siege engines. — Robert Greer (talk) 04:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Ammianus Quote[edit]

The quote given from Ammianus Marcellinus is misleading, at best. In the direct latin translation, the great historian does not mention use of Greek Fire in conjunction with the onager (or, indeed, at all throughout his Antiquities). I suggest finding a more accurate translation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:14, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Tension vs Torsion[edit]

This article says the onager used tension. I think that's wrong. Tension was used by the mangonel, rather than the onager. The onager used torsional force instead of tension. This article already says that the onager uses torsional force, but later it says tension too. Although I'm not sure, so I'll let someone else change that. - (talk) 19:07, 11 January 2017 (UTC)