Talk:Operation Midnight Climax

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I've been trying to research this for several hours now. While there are many, many, many sensational articles on the subject, none of them seem to cite any reliable sources whatsoever. Considering they're writing about a secret government program that only started to come to the public's attention some 10 to 15 years after it took place (and after nearly all of its records were destroyed) it's hardly credible to trust them as any more than urban legends.

The one decent, honest to God source I managed to find is a report by a senate committee in 1977:

Some of the Facts: - The safehouses were operated in San Francisco and New York City (page 7) - People contacted in bars were invited to safehouses and slipped LSD (Pages 21, 22) - The most interesting portion of the document is on page 48 where Senator Edward Kennedy is talking to Admiral - Mr. Gittiner talks about interviewing prostitutes through the safehouses (page 57) Turner (Page 48):

Senator KENNEDY. With regards to the activities that took place in
these safe houses, as I understand from the records, two-way mirrors
were used. Is that your understanding?
Admiral TURNER. Yes, sir. We have records that construction was
done to put in two-way mirrors.
Senator KENNEDY. And they were placed in the bedroom, as I
Senator KENNEDY. Well, we have documents
Admiral TURNER. I believe that was in the Church record, but I
don't have the details.
Senator KENNEDY. And rather elaborate decorations were added, as
I understand, at least, to the one in San Francisco, in the bedroom,
which are French can-can dancers, floral pictures, drapery, including
installation of bedroom mirrors, three framed Toulouse Lautrec posters
with black silk mats, and a number of other-red bedroom curtains
and recording equipment, and then a series of documents which
were provided to the committee which indicate a wide proliferation
of different cash for $100, generally in the $100 range over any period
of time on the particular checks. Even the names are blocked out, as
to the person who is receiving it. Cash for undercover agents, operating
expenses, drinks, entertainment while administering, and then it
is dashed out, and then the other documents, that would suggest, at
least with the signature of your principal agent out there, that-
"called to the operation, midnight, and climax."
What can you tell us that it might suggest to you about what techniques
were being used by the Agency in terms of reaching that sort
of broad-based group of Americans that were being evidently enticed
for testing in terms of drugs and others? Do you draw any kind of
conclusion about what might have been going on out there in these
safe houses?
Admiral TURNER. No, sir.
[General laughter.]

Now, it certainly sounds like these safehouses were brothels, doesn't it? Considering the way the entire program was roundly denounced in the report I feel like if the information to that effect had been available it would have been mentioned. Given the evidence it's only likely that these were brothels. Anyone who cares to update the article with this information is encouraged to do so, I'm far too lazy and don't much know how to use Wikipedia to begin with.-- (talk) 04:35, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


Is it just me or is there no citation or evidence referenced here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:58, 18 October 2006

Yep... welcome to Wikipedia. I've just about given up on trying to improve articles here. There is a good enough policy about verifiability, but hardly any editors are willing to actually follow it. 21:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

i cant find anything about this anywhere on the web except wikipedia... 17:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I got here through a link from MKULTRA which cites the information for this from the following: Marks, John (1979). The Search for the Manchurian Candidate. New York: Times Books. ISBN 0-8129-0773-6. I don't own the book so maybe someone who owns the book can enlighten us.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 04:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Johns don't seem like very reliable test subjects to me. I imagine their responses to situations will be a bit different than the normal population. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Sources, Notable?[edit]

Is anyone going to provide reliable, verifiable, NPOV sources for this? Or maybe explain how it is WP:Notable?

Thank you. --NDState 23:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Part of MKULTRA , CIA mind-control project. User:Pedant (talk) 17:54, 24 October 2012 (UTC)


Any reason to link to EABJM in the see also section? User:Pedant (talk) 17:57, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

No, I believe it's vandalism. Removing the link. Shannon Garcia (talk) 02:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Development of operational techniques[edit]

Descriptions of what occurred suggests to me that this was a case of administering drugs for no real purpose. What "significant operational techniques" could possibly have been developed from this "research"?Royalcourtier (talk) 04:07, 17 March 2014 (UTC)