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G D Madge[edit]

What is meant by "tried to play it through"? Did he complete the work or not? Either he completed it, which makes it a performance, or he did not, in which case we shouldn't mention this at all.

I've removed the POV bit about the recording being said to be heavily improvised. Reference to the score will establish whether it was improvised or not. At the moment, this is in the category of rumour and hearsay. Cheers JackofOz 23:49, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

I can comform that Madge is often so untrue to the score that one could say his recording is a fraud.
If it was a fraud, why didn't Sorabji say anything? Any statement of the superiority of one performance over another has to be sourced. Otherwise it has to go. Xanthoxyl 19:43, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorabji didn't say anything as the recording came out 11 years after his death and he wasn't present at the performance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toccata quarta (talkcontribs) 09:46, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I've looked around, and there is a long discussion of the issue here (by John Carey) but it can't really be used as a source. Xanthoxyl 20:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Weasel words removed. Reworded to sound less biased. Cited. Gonna remove the POV label tomorrow if someone doesn't come in here and tell me not to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:00, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Citation of the letter[edit]

The citation of the letter in the "Composition" section lacks its reference. I found this article contains exactly the same phrases, but is this the source? Or is it taken from another material? --Aotake 03:21, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

  • I can think of a few possible sources ; the book "Sorabji: A Critical Celebration" edited by Paul Rapoport which contains a collection of Sorabji's letters from the period of OClav's composition many of which mention specifically what stage composition was in, or in other ways give a view to the composition process definitely contains a copy of that section of that letter (I'll see if I can find my copy of Critical Celebration , might be able to provide page number). Schissel | Sound the Note! 18:27, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:20, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Opus ClavicembalisticumOpus clavicembalisticum – According to and, the capitalisation Sorabji used is incorrect. Toccata quarta (talk) 09:38, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

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I gather, from "Sorabji: A Critical Celebration", that his phrasing (in correspondence etc) was different at different times (sometimes absolute but only sometimes) but that- at minimum- he always reserved the right that he be asked before an intended performance and that if he said no, that wish be respected (a right British law gave him for his published works. He did, however, I gather(??) wink at a small number of performances of his works that he was made aware of between 1936 and before 1976, as noted, including a performance of one of his earliest published works, In the Hothouse (#1 of 2 Piano Pieces published 1921) in 1946, e.g.) Schissel | Sound the Note! 18:22, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Lede repetitive and confusing[edit]

I find two issues with the lede second paragraph. First, it doesn't add much to what has been said in the first paragraph: the work is known (renowned? notorious?) for its massive length, complexity, and difficulty; can't that be said in a single paragraph? Second, and worse, the second paragraph sounds self-contradictory, as written: the most technically demanding solo piano work [...] although some [other] works [...] were more difficult still. So, which is it? The most difficult or not. (The risks one runs using superlatives.) Shouldn't that be cleaned up? jmsofia (talk) 21:39, 4 January 2018 (UTC)