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It says legitimist pretenders continue to make appointments. I assume this includes both the Comte de Chambord and the Carlist line that a few legitimists recognized after his death. What about the Orléanist line after 1883? One presumes that the Count of Paris would have claimed sovereignty over the order, just as he claimed the legitimist succession to the throne (having abandoned the original Orléanist pretensions in 1873). Have Orléanist pretenders since 1883 awarded the Order of the Holy Spirit? Or do they avoid it in the way they typically avoid giving out titles of pretense formerly used by the senior line? john k (talk) 14:54, 9 September 2010 (UTC)