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Oriental Adventures was released for the 2nd Edition.
It's called Oriental Adventures: Ronin Challange. The phrase "Oriental Adventures" is printed in huge letters at the top. Ronin Challange is printed in small letters on the bottom. Whats your point? It's clear that there indeed were Oriental Adventures published for 2nd Edition. This article is misleading. --Nikoz78 (talk) 18:54, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
- I don't see how you feel it's misleading. The only books titled "Oriental Adventures" were released in first edition and third edition. On adventures like Ronin Challenge and Ninja Wars, the Oriental Adventures is merely used as a logo in the same manner as the Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms brand. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 00:41, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
- So you are unwilling to acknowledge the clear fact that Oriental Adventures were released for the 2nd Edition? I understand what you are saying, but TSR did, in actual fact, release books under this trade mark; officially. We shouldn't dismiss these publications of Oriental Adventures for the 2nd Edition. The article should mention them, because it leads the reader to believe that nothing at all was released of this series for 2nd Edition. Don't you think we should at least mention it? --Nikoz78 (talk) 06:37, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
- That seems reasonable. At the same time, it should be clear to the reader that no book titled "Oriental Adventures" was released in 2nd edition. If anything, the 2nd edition adventures still encouraged the DM to use the 1st edition book, which is a bit odd, but that's how it went. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 14:05, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
I disagree that "no book titled 'Oriental Adventures' was released in 2nd edition." I think the facts are very clear on the matter. The trade mark is the same, the "Oriental Adventures" logo is exactly the same; please tell me how TSR did not release anything for Oriental Adventures when they are right in front of me. Three of them: TSR 9257: Oriental Adventures; TSR 9307: Oriental Adventures - Ninja Wars'' and TSR 9258: Oriental Game Adventures - Test of the Samurai. Please explain to me how these (somehow) don't count and why they are not mentioned in the article about TSR's Oriental Adventures publications?
Pictures of the first two mentioned above are linked below:
And not to mention TSR 2116: Kara Tur Monster Appendix which states clearly on the back cover: "A must for Oriental Adventure fans and players with a taste for the exotic [original emphasis on the trade marked name]." Pic: http://www.thestrong.org/online-collections/images/Z004/Z00460/Z0046057.jpg --Nikoz78 (talk) 19:00, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
- I think you are confusing book titles and imprints. There have only been two books where "Oriental Adventures" was the actual title of the book. There have been several books where the words "Oriental Adventures" was an imprint stamped on the book cover, as they related to the original book titled "Oriental Adventures". I'm not sure how to make that clearer to you, as you don't seem to be understanding me. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 20:06, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
- I understand very clearly what you're saying. But this is an encyclopedia page about a trade marked product from TSR, "Oriental Adventures." This trade marked product even has a trade marked LOGO that is used on the products I've listed above for 2nd Edition. Don't be obstinate. These published products for 2nd Edition are VERY CLEARLY a part of their trade marked line of books in the series. Officially. And so, here we have a page on the topic of Oriental Adventures products that lists 1st and 3rd Edition publications, but not the publications using it's theme and trade mark for 2nd Edition? Why is it excluded? Nothing you have written has convinced me that they deserve to be excluded. With this logic, why is 3rd Edition listed? It's not even TSR. Oh, that's right, Wizards of the Coast owns the TRADE MARK and can OFFICIALLY release books under its banner. Just like TSR did in the 1990's with 2nd Edition. To be clear, the point of this debate is that I believe these official 2nd Edition books are clearly tied to the series and should be listed, in order to make the page more complete. Thus expanding our knowledge about the Oriental Adventures line of products (and it's spin-offs, etc.). If this page was about the original book, and only that book, I'd understand your position. --Nikoz78 (talk) 18:40, 29 October 2011 (UTC)