Talk:Ossian Sweet

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Untitled[edit]

Since "Malice Aforethought: The Sweet Trials" was first presented in 1987, and Kevin Boyle's "Arc of Justice" wasn't published until 2004,it will be seen that Boyle was influenced by the play, not the other way around. Kevin saw the original production while an undergraduate, and, when writing the book, asked me for the sources I had discovered that were not included in earlier works on the trials (the original depositions taken from major defendants the night of their arrest). I believe he gives me credit for this in his acknowledgements. Whoever edits this should make the change. AJBeer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.14.131.248 (talk) 04:54, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


The language used in this article is neither unbiased nor neutral. It also provides unnecessary and unsubstantiated commentary. This article requires extensive revision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by StumpyDuncan (talkcontribs) 18:13, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Birthplace[edit]

The article listed his birthplace as Orlando when it seems to have been Bartow. Verified by more than one source (listed only one). All of the places online listing his birthplace as Orlando seemed to be mirrors of this article. If anyone can show proof of Orlando birth which is not a mirror of (an earlier version) this article, by all means... move it back. VictorianMutant (talk)

Atrocious Writing, "Home Invasion" Section[edit]

The first paragraph of the "Home Invasion" is the worst writing I've ever seen on Wikipedia:

"There were dangerous occurrences happening to friends and acquaintances of Ossian in buying homes in white neighborhoods and then being attacked. There was even a group put together called the Waterworks Park Improvement, which happened to be run by real estate agents from Detroit and nearby cities, whose sole reason of existence was to create controversy against the idea of allowing blacks to move to white neighborhoods. These people were concerned with the belief that allowing blacks into their neighborhoods would lower property values. This was important because at this time, buying a home was a very difficult and lengthy process. The idea of buying land free and clear was no longer an option for most blacks, forcing them instead to take out multiple mortgages to buy a home, leading to even more debt. Also, the idea that an African American could afford what most were struggling to keep was insulting to many of the working class whites that lived in the neighborhood."

Not questioning facts or objectivity or whatever. Just truly atrocious writing. Let's start with the first sentence: "There were dangerous occurrences happening to friends and acquaintances of Ossian in buying homes in white neighborhoods and then being attacked." Who on earth talks like that? When was the last time that "a dangerous occurence happened" to you? And "concerned with the belief that"... or "create controversy against the idea of..."?? Who wrote this garbage? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Just Below 39 (talkcontribs) 01:49, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

It's been a year since you wrote this comment, almost, so I don't assume you're going to check the page, but...you're totally right, and yet, it stands. I see my goal on WP to be to clean up the language used in the articles; English is what I'm best at, not programming or finding sources, etc. but I can only do so much. I partially rewrote the "Trial" section, bringing it as close to decent English as I could, since I figure that the trial is the key part of Sweet's story. Anyway, as I've said before, Wiki's policy of allowing anyone to edit us both a blessing and a curse, though I think it's more of a curse. I feel that anyone who wants to edit Wikipedia should either have to score above 100 on an IQ test first to demonstrate that they aren't completely stupid, or pass some sort of basic writing quiz/course. I feel the same way about voting for president, too, though, and they aren't likely to do that anytime soon. Anyway, yeah, some of the writing I see littering this article and Wikipedia is genuinely written on a grade-school level - and it's quite possible that is because a grade schooler wrote it! We need some structure here, or at least other users who give a damn how the articles they work on turn out. Cheers and good luck on the WWW (Wild, Wild Wikipedia)! "Yes...It's Raining" 23:37, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Edited Trial Section[edit]

So, I'm called a "Grammar Nazi" by my friends, so I hate to find out what random people on Wikipedia will call me. :) Anyway, I was reading the "Trial" section, and really found the writing to be in need of some help. I kept most of the material, but took a few things out, shuffled them around, and reconstructed the section. It may still be sub-par, but I'd like to think that I contributed to, instead of detracting from, the section. I also added a weasel word tag or two and a "Citation Needed." I might be able to clear out the weasel words (if I didn't already), but Citations are not my forté. Of course, Wikipedia articles are living documents, so I won't object to someone cleaning up my clean-up. Please don't think this is a vanity post - if I did something wrong, please write me a PM and I'll try to fix it. If I did something right, I'm glad I could help out in an article about a subject that's as timely now as when it was written. I attended American public schools in the 90's (ie., did not have a good basic education until college), so I'd never heard of Ossian Sweet before today. I'm definitely glad I came across the article, and hope I haven't irritated anyone by changing things around. I would only change semantics, anyway - never facts. Cheers! "Yes...It's Raining" 23:25, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Ossian Sweet/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

I've never heard of Ossian Sweet, MD. I was starting some research on the history of Detroit when I came upon his name and the brief description of his personal history. If this recollection if accurate, I believe it does an excellent job of gleaning the salient points in his life. I am baffled though by the author's seeming inability to comprehend how a life of withstanding the type psychic insults Dr. Sweet suffered could lead one to be dark and embittered and even mentally ill. I do believe this condition is called Posttraumatic Stress Disorder.

Last edited at 06:54, 18 August 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 02:00, 30 April 2016 (UTC)