Talk:Outline of fiction
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- 1 Problems
- 2 Major rename proposal of certain "lists" to "outlines"
- 3 Rename proposal for this page and all the pages of the set this page belongs to
- 4 Guidelines for outlines
- 5 The "History of" section needs links!
- 6 Straw poll and discussion concerning what outlines should be called
- 7 Improve the section 'What is fiction?'
- 8 Quick explanation of Wikipedia outlines
- 9 Literary fiction
This page is working on completely different levels: it lists all kind of fiction (movies, comics, books), but the next section, "scope", only describes books. The section "some famous authors" is even worse, since it only mentions authors in very specific genres (and the authors listed were quite arbitrary, I hope I improved it a bit for those genres at least). Where are Shakespeare, Homer, Dante, ...? Kubrick, Chaplin, and Truffaut? Grimm and Aesop? Sophocles? Molière and Goethe? The list as it stands is extremely anglo-centric and focused on sub-cultures. It should be massively expanded or completely removed, and I support the second option since this list will always be contentious.
Finally, the "amazon" link is not to be removed because it apparently is not spam... Umm, then what is it? It serves no purpose here and goes against WP:EL (or do you consider "Fiction. It's a big category." to be indispensable info only this link can give?). It's a shop, for crying out loud. Fram (talk) 13:41, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Major rename proposal of certain "lists" to "outlines"
The Transhumanist 01:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Rename proposal for this page and all the pages of the set this page belongs to
See the proposal at the Village pump
The Transhumanist 09:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Guidelines for outlines
Guidelines for the development of outlines are being drafted at Wikipedia:Outlines.
Your input and feedback is welcomed and encouraged.
The Transhumanist 00:31, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Please add some relevant links to the history section.
Links can be found in the "History of" article for this subject, in the "History of" category for this subject, or in the corresponding navigation templates. Or you could search for topics on Google - most topics turn blue when added to Wikipedia as internal links.
The Transhumanist 00:31, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Straw poll and discussion concerning what outlines should be called
A discussion is underway that may affect the name of this article.
The Transhumanist 04:37, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Improve the section 'What is fiction?'
I personally have a hard time understanding what this section wants to say. For example I cannot really make sense of the following:
- "Fiction forms pure imagination in the reader, partially because these novels are fabricated from creativity and is not pure truth"
- What does Fiction forms pure imagination in the reader mean? How does it achieve this? Furthermore I believe the and is not pure truth is grammatically incorrect since it appears to refer to these novels, which is plural. I guess it is meant to refer to the fiction, but the sentence is confusing to me as it is.
- "...he or she connects the words to images and visualizes the event or situation being read in their imagination..."
- Is this always the case? Where does this assertion come from? Does there exist research indicating this is always the case?
- a source of entertainment – This type of entertainment is usually pursued to escape reality and imagine their own; which is suppressing depression with an emotional interest.
- Again I think it should be made clear who said that, since we as Wikipedia editors should not make statements like this ourselves, as it looks a bit like original research. These are just from a quick look some points I think should be improved, since I guess a reader might wonder the same things. Can someone clarify? Then I am happy to help with rewriting, but right now I don't really understand what the intended meaning of these sentences is. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 18:47, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Quick explanation of Wikipedia outlines
"Outline" is short for "hierarchical outline". There are two types of outlines: sentence outlines (like those you made in school to plan a paper), and topic outlines (like the topical synopses that professors hand out at the beginning of a college course). Outlines on Wikipedia are primarily topic outlines that serve 2 main purposes: they provide taxonomical classification of subjects showing what topics belong to a subject and how they are related to each other (via their placement in the tree structure), and as subject-based tables of contents linked to topics in the encyclopedia. The hierarchy is maintained through the use of heading levels and indented bullets. See Wikipedia:Outlines for a more in-depth explanation. The Transhumanist 00:06, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
As far as I can see there is no link to literary fiction. This refers to fiction focusing more on themes about the human condition than on plot. I'd put it in, but I can't decide where it should go. It's not really a genre, so it doesn't fit nicely into the "Genres" section. Any suggestions? Loraof (talk) 17:04, 11 June 2016 (UTC)