|This page was nominated for deletion on 26 October 2010 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.|
Sorry, but I don't see why my article is nominated for deletion. I have studied a lot of scientific material in Russian which explain how this drink works and which prove that it has a positive effect on the body. Numerours clinical trials have proved that tyhe oxygen cocktail can be part of oxygen therapy. All the links and references are provided. Most documents are unfortunately only in Russian but I'll try to find some info in English. And besides, the following article has not been deleted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_bar As far as I know one can buy oxygen cocktails in oxygen bars.
I don't understand why you consider the article as spam. You mentioned that it's simply a product. Yes it is. But there are articles about beer, cocktails, pizzas any sorts of fruit and vegetables. The oxygne cocktail is not the product of one particular company. It's just a kind of drink with specific qualities. And I provided a lot of scientific proof. I dpn't advertise any company and any commercial product. You can't deny the fact that oxygen cocktails exist and are drunk in oxygen bars. The articles just shows what the oxygen cocktail is, how can we benefit from it, how it works and how to make this drink. Simple facts and scientific proof. No spam at all.--EnJoyce (talk) 21:03, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- It also contains some stuff I consider dubious - "Oxygen cocktails are prescribed" for one. In the UK at least, prescribing can only be done be registered medical practitioners. Can you cite any who would recommend this 'cocktail' or prescribe it? Also, if you look at Oxygen bar, there is no mention of people drinking these 'cocktails' - oxygen is inhaled. There are also warnings about the unnecessary use of these facilities from highly qualified organisations. I am not a medical practitioner, but have been qualified to administer oxygen in emergency situations (and also to assist people to self-administer O2/N2O mix for anasthesia). Your 'scientific proof' is all in a language I do not read well enough to assess. I would be obliged if you would provide something in English. I do know there is a considerable promotional effort going on, probably with the aim of selling the equipment for making these 'cocktails. I think this could be a part of the campaign. I would also point out to you that if the article is kept, it will be (and indeed is) subject to editing by anyone - and the end result may not be favourable to your viewpoint. This has happened quite a few times. Over to you... Peridon (talk) 21:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
I agree that a lot of companies do sell and advertise some devices for making oxygen cocktails. Anyway, there are companies which sell beer and the article about beer is not a subject for deletion. I used Russian scientific researches and translated parts of them into English. But the fact that I used Russian material doesn not mean that the material is not truthful and worth consderation. I assume that as far as no side-effects were found during clinical trials this drink can be used without prescriptions. Besides, oxygen bars in Russia do sell oxygen cocktails and doctors do recommend these drinks. This year when there were a lot of fires in Russia doctors did recommend to drink oxygen cocktails. The following medical institutions prescribe the oxygen cocktail (at least it is stated in their papers): Research Center of Obstetrics, Gynecology and Perinatology named after academician V.I. Kulakov and Research Center of Children’s Health. I'm not sure if there are research papers in English but I'll do my best to find out. At least if the article is kept I will have some time to search this information.--EnJoyce (talk) 21:53, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not saying the Russian stuff is rubbish - although I have a view about both oxygen bars (outside Tokyo, perhaps) and cocktails that they are both in the realm of pseudo-science (or possibly - to use the term used by New Scientist's 'Feedback' column - fruitloopery). The article is worded in a rather promotional tone. Promotional may not necessarily by advertising of a particular company, but can be of an idea. I feel the tone doesn't fit in with WP:NPOV. Apart from which, If extra oxygen was needed by people, inhaling it would be far more effective than using it by squirting a lot of it into the air in making the cocktail and swallowing the rest as froth. The carbon dioxide from beers and fizzy drinks comes up as burps - the oxygen from the cocktail is going to come up the same way. If any is absorbed in the stomach, it won't be worth the cost of all the effort involved. This is at best fringe 'complimentary medicine' to me - and I would like to see sources that show it is any more use than gold-plated power lead connections for hi-fi - or at least show that people are using it. Sources that are reliable and in English. I can cope with French at a sub-technical level, but not Russian. Stuff can be incorrect in itself but still be notable - as witness the articles about certain notable hoaxes. Whichever this is (I'm not saying that the cocktail is a non-existent hoax product...), sources we can use are needed. Peridon (talk) 20:53, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
it's a pretty old stuff actually
im russian myself, i recall when i was a child back in late 80s i once was in a hospital for a couple of weeks, they prescribed me those as a part of restorative procedures 188.8.131.52 (talk) 01:16, 1 September 2015 (UTC)