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on the german sites (DE) are photographs, GNU licensed. :-))

Opinion - not relevant[edit]

I this article someone writes "The influential wine critic Robert M. Parker, Jr., who is well known for his love of Bordeaux wines, has written that Grange, Australia's famous wine, "has replaced Bordeaux's Pétrus as the worlds most exotic and concentrated wine"" - A quotation from "The Economist" from 1999.

I see no relevance for this bit of information in this article. First of all, Robert Parkers opinion on any given wine is rather uninteresting. Second, wether someone finds one wine more concentrated than another is completely irrelevant. Concentration is not nessecarily a goal for winemakers.

Rather than being information on Chateau Petrus it's information on Robert Parker and whatever wine he finds most concentrated. This should not be included in this article.

- nwinther

Opinion of world's leading wine critic seems as relevant as opinions about which are the best vintages, as listed in previous paragraph.OliverPetrucchi 19:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

This resembles ad copy and does not belong in the Petrus article. For better or worse, Petrus is perhaps the most prestigious, expensive red wine. Compare it to, say, Citizen Kane or Harvard University or some other item item with a grand (arguably turgid) reputation. Would it be appropriate to edit the Citizen Kane article so that it reads that such-and-such critic has written, "[such and such movie] has replaced Citizen Kane as the greatest film ever made" or to add the following to Harvard's article "[such and such school] has replaced Harvard as America's top college?" It adds nothing to the article--it just constitutes spam for the competing entity. If you were to intelligently discuss Petrus' reputation--and whether critics generally agree that its reputation is or is not earned--it would greatly enhance this article. But to simply report that one particular critic thinks one particular wine is now the superlative offering is just silly.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 16:53, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I just looked in to see why this article doesn't mention that Château Pétrus is far and away the most famous Pommerol vintage. --Wetman 15:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Name[edit]

The article presently reads :There is no Château physically on the estate, and nowhere is it written on the label; this explains why it is simply referred to as Pétrus, and not Château Pétrus. Why, then, is this article at Château Pétrus and not at Pétrus? 195.92.40.49 16:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

It's a mistake. The article must be renamed. DeansFA (talk) 01:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

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Page moved to Pétrus (wine). Vegaswikian (talk) 02:21, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Château PétrusPétrus (Wine) – The label of this wine simply mentions "Pétrus" and not Chateau Pétrus. This is also mentionned on the French page of this Article LaurentCck (talk) 10:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

  • Comment. Not sure about the merits of moving the article, but if it is decided to move the article, it should be to Pétrus (wine). Jenks24 (talk) 10:21, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment. There does not seem to be a clear consensus in usage, eg see [1] so it seems unclear if a move makes sense. I don't really mind either way. Justinc (talk) 10:35, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment. As per the French legislation, it is very clear: The name of the wine has to appear in full on the label. So legally, it's Pétrus. However I am not sure how to handle the case if it is sometimes colloquially called Chateau Pétrus. It's easy to get confused when only a few Bordeaux don't have the usual chateau name. I totally agree for "Pétrus (wine)" LaurentCck (talk) 14:34, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
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Considered among the best ...[edit]

I know it's not ideal language (ie it is a little POV and also uses slightly weasel words), but this info should be here in one form or other and it is not in any way a controversial statement - Petrus is one of the most famous and well regarded estates in Bordeaux, but the fact that Pomerol has no classification system makes it more difficult to state that in a neutral way. Maybe we could add a citation from a "wine expert"? Also removing the sentence wholesale left the "big eight" reference afterwards without any context or clarity. --Nickhh 09:24, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

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Price range[edit]

Could anyone dig up reference to give example of the prices that Pétrus vintages are sold for? I was rather astonished myself when I visited Paris for the first time and found €7,000 bottles of wine at the food section of Galeries Lafayette. Peter Isotalo 12:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

At the very top of the price range of wine, the variability (as %) of the price is larger than at more moderate prices. Thus, vintage (or perhaps the number of Parker points), age (mature or not), whether you buy directly on release from a specialist wine dealer's customer list or from the rarity cabinet of a luxury store, and so on, which all affect the price rather much. My guess is that recently, most bottles of Pétrus will have been sold for €1,000-2,000, excluding mature top vintages and vintages old enough to very rare. The best source of up-to-date market price of collectible Bordeaux is the list (based on recent auction prices) found somewhere in the back of each issue of Decanter Magazine, but I don't have a copy handy. Tomas e (talk) 16:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
But if that was implied by your question, Pétrus is by far the most expensive Bordeaux, far more expensive than the First Growths which are produced in much larger quantities. I still think that Romanée-Conti is the world's most expensive wine, but Pétrus is not far behind. And as the saying goes, € 5 wine or € 5,000 wine - they are all fermented grape juice. Tomas e (talk) 16:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

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