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Intense Pain[edit]

Pain is an unpleasant feeling often caused by intense or damaging stimuli, such as stubbing a toe, burning a finger, putting alcohol on a cut, and bumping the "funny bone."

Really? Was this written from the frame of reference of a ten year old? If these are intense or damaging stimuli, how do we classify cancer, or getting a limb shot off? Consider a rewrite please, these are extremely minor pain sensations, not "intense or damaging stimuli", especially since none of the above really causes much in the way of damage. A stubbed toe? THE HORROR... THE HORROR... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.246.210 (talk) 00:04, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for telling this. Could you suggest a rewrite? I think it would be good to include the whole range of pain, from minor pain to intense pain. Lova Falk talk 09:01, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
I agree they are trivial examples. They represent neuropathic pain (the "tingling" pain from bumping the funny bone) and the three main classes of nociceptive pain (mechanical, thermal and chemical). "Intense" refers to the strength of stimulation required to initiate a pain signal - the threshold intensity - rather than the intensity of pain felt above that threshold. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 23:23, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I have edited this section and eliminated the trivial examples. Pattkait (talk) 13:11, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

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Remove primary research?[edit]

I just updated the text to reflect a 2016 version of the cochrane review, and I noticed this primary research.

Pasted from wiki article:

"Sugar did not significantly affect pain-related electrical activity in the brains of newborns one second after the heel lance procedure.[95] "

Do you think it should be removed?

Thanks. JenOttawa (talk) 14:41, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm a little confused because you've pasted the text from Pain in babies #Oral sugar which is referenced to Slater 2010 and Lasky's commentary on it.
This article contains a similar sentence at Pain #Medication, but only referenced to Lasky's letter.
A citation to a primary source is not sufficient to support a biomedical claim of effectiveness or otherwise in either article.
However, there is a 2016 Cochrane review that would support some text on the issue:
Stevens, B; Yamada, J; Ohlsson, A; Haliburton, S; Shorkey, A (2016). "Sucrose for analgesia in newborn infants undergoing painful procedures". The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews. 7: CD001069. doi:10.1002/14651858.CD001069.pub5. PMID 27420164. Sucrose is effective for reducing procedural pain from single events such as heel lance, venipuncture and intramuscular injection in both preterm and term infants.
I suggest you use that to replace the current text and cites. --RexxS (talk) 15:56, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks @RexxS:. Yes, I made a mistake and did not read the more specific Pain in babies #Oral sugar page with the primary reference. I had just added in the 2016 Cochrane review to the general Pain page (paragraph right before).

If this information is already in its own Pain in babies #Oral sugar page, should I remove the specifics re electrical activity from the general Pain #Medication page? Thanks again! JenOttawa (talk) 16:11, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

In an online encyclopedia, it doesn't matter if small amounts of information are duplicated between a general article and a more specific one. Somebody searching for an answer might well look at the Pain article without knowing that the Pain in babies exists. We're not running short of electrons. --RexxS (talk) 16:29, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
agree--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 20:57, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
Sounds good. Thanks again for your feedback! JenOttawa (talk) 16:39, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Dubious Statement -- The philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche: Masked-man's fallacy located in the first section.[edit]

"One judgment on the value of pain is given by German philosopher, Friedrich Nietzsche, who wrote: "Only great pain is the ultimate liberator of the spirit….I doubt that such pain makes us ‘better’; but I know that it makes us more profound”.[12] [dubious ] Nietzsche and philosophers influenced by him thus oppose the entirely negative valuation of pain, instead holding that 'What does not destroy me, makes me stronger."[12][13]"

In defining the beliefs of both Nietzsche and any philosophers influenced by him in terms of propositional logic, asserting that 'pain' will make us 'stronger' creates a masked-man's fallacy. The word "stronger" should not be used, as it may connote an increase in one's health. An increase in one's health in response to great pain was specifically doubted by Nietzsche, as we can clearly see in his quote.


Defined propositional terms:

a.) is pain and "what does not destroy me"

b.) is 'better', in terms of 'what' are somewhat unclear. However, I'd imagine that one's health is a given.

c.) is an increase in a human being's capacity for profound thought == The liberation of the human spirit == an increase in a human's strength or perhaps metaphorical strength, or both.



There is also a grammatical error where a single quote is used to begin a quote, and is consequently then closed with a double quote: 'What does not destroy me, makes me stronger."


Apologies if I did anything wrong, this is the first time I've attempted to report a dubious statement via the talk section on Wiki!

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Potential source[edit]

This source might be useful. (Redacted) https://doi.org/10.1179/108331907X223010 --Karinpower (talk) 00:36, 17 January 2018 (UTC)