Talk:Pall Mall, London

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Good article Pall Mall, London has been listed as one of the Art and architecture good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Good topic star Pall Mall, London is part of the List of London Monopoly locations series, a good topic. This is identified as among the best series of articles produced by the Wikipedia community. If you can update or improve it, please do so.
Article milestones
Date Process Result
June 22, 2016 Good article nominee Listed
May 17, 2017 Good topic candidate Promoted
Current status: Good article

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Shouldn't this just be at Pall Mall? I think the fact that the other Pall Malls haven't got articles shows which one is the most famous... Proteus (Talk) 00:17, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

Well, I only just wrote this article, so that argument is a bit flawed. I intend to write articles for some of the others, at least pall mall. If you want to shuffle them around you can, I decided to do it this way because of a google search for "pall mall" got me (in the top 10) a whole selection of meanings (the street in London, the cigaratte brand, Pall Mall Gazette, the game, a font, a place in Texas). fabiform | talk 00:23, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
Oh right, okay. I just looked at the disambig page and saw only one blue link, and thought it was a bit strange that it was disambiguated. Proteus (Talk) 09:14, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

Picture[edit]

How about getting a new picture taken on a sunny day? Piccadilly 02:54, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

FP???[edit]

So tell me... HOW does this very toffy, very detailed article get away with ONE reference and **NO** [citation needed]'s ?
But then you know- How does a tiny 'unrated' article such as get a link into from a FrontPage-ed article- An' FP'd on a very important international workers' holiday, an' the weather cold so you stay indoors with the internets? And then this FP-er clips onto into you and sends you... here?
I'll tell you how it's done. Blatant ANGLO-CENTRISME. & it's all over WP. Just saying. Well you can see, that's the way things is. Happy New YARRR! Hilarleo (talk) 01:01, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

IPA[edit]

Is the pronunciation at the top of the page in IPA? On the IPA for English page, it doesn't seem that there's an 'au' combination - wouldn't ɔː be more accurate? pɔːl mɔːl... although I'm not really sure how it's pronounced so I can't give a proper transcription. Brammers (talk) 14:28, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be /pæl mæl/? 82.24.183.194 (talk) 13:04, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

You are right. See [1]. Piaractus (talk) 12:44, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Notable buildings (parked here for a mo while I work out what to do with it)[edit]

References

  1. ^ "Army and Navy Club website". 19 March 2014. 
  2. ^ "Québec Government website". 18 March 2014. 
  3. ^ "Oxford and Cambridge Club website". 19 March 2014. 
  4. ^ "Royal Automobile Club website". 19 March 2014. 
  5. ^ "The London Diplomatic List" (PDF). 14 December 2013. 
  6. ^ "Reform Club website". 19 March 2014. 
  7. ^ "Travellers Club website". 19 March 2014. 
  8. ^ "Athenaeum Club website". 18 March 2014. 
  9. ^ "Institute of Directors website". 18 March 2014. 
  10. ^ "The London Diplomatic List" (PDF). 14 December 2013. 

Content dispute[edit]

As there's a bit of a content dispute going on, I've semi-protected the page for a week. I accept I was kind of WP:INVOLVED, so anyone is free to go to WP:RPP and ask for unprotection from a neutral administrator. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:39, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Are administrators supposed to edit war and then stop any IP correcting their poor edits? I think not, the administrator who did this is a disgrace. 94.196.211.94 (talk) 13:10, 25 March 2016 (UTC) And for your information, I have roamed around Wikipedia for years and never been involved with edit wars or administrators. You asked where I lived. I live in a house on a road, my residence is the house not the road. 94.196.211.94 (talk) 13:17, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Well are you going to revert your edit or shall I? 92.40.33.185 (talk) 14:12, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 06:10, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Will review. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 06:10, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

General
  • No dablinks [2]
  • No copyvio detected [3]
  • External links check out [4]
  • Here are a few duplicate links. Feel free to keep any you think would be appropriate there, say if the last link was ages ago.
  • "17th- and 18th-century buildings": tennis court (para 4)
  • "Late history": Marlborough House, Schomberg House, Thomas Gainsborough, Institute of Directors
  • "Cultural references": Piccadilly, Whitehall
With the article only about 12K of prose, I think these can all go. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:26, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Lead
  • in the 19th I think most articles would add "century" after "19th"
In this case, there had been a previous clause "in the 18th century". Dr. Blofeld, do you have any views on this one? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:29, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
History and topography
  • Evidence suggests a road What type of evidence?
The Survey of London source used for this paragraph says, "No evidence has been recorded to suggest that this highway was a Roman road but, as the westward continuation of the Strand, it was probably in existence in Saxon times" which cross-references Royal Commission on Historical Monuments (England) and Roman Roads in Britain. Let's try "historical research" Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:29, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Good. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 17:28, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure if you should use so many direct quotations, this is a new style I am seeing.
I think this was done by earlier work on the article - the quotations are reproduced from the Survey of London verbatim from the original manuscripts quoted in turn by that source. I think it would be better if these were just paraphrased from the article. Have a look now. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:48, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, loads better now. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 17:28, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Any idea who Lumsden was?
Archibald Lumsden appears to be a completely non-notable person who draws up a blank on historical sources, so I've trimmed him out. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:26, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Link these at first mention: St James's Street and St James's
Done - there seems to be inconsistency between articles using the full stop (eg: St. James's Park) and not (eg: St James's Street); that's the sort of thing that'll need an RfC to nail down one way or another. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:26, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
  • The prose reads quite well, I find no problems here.
Cultural references
  • It might be good to add "novelist" before Thackeray, I like identifying people when I mention them first, just to save readers clicks. May be do the same for other such persons?
I've done Thackeray as it's not obvious from the context, but from the rest I think it is self-explanatory that the bookseller Robert Dodsley ran a bookshop and the architect Charles Barry designed a building, and adding those would make the prose a little redundant, I feel. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:26, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for all the fixes. The one point where you mentioned Dr Blofeld was just a suggestion, so this can be promoted now. Great job! Sainsf (talk · contribs) 01:53, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Monopoly[edit]

I just saw this article was promoted to GA, and having a look at it, I'm surprised Monopoly only gets a on sentence mention - I would have thought that this was a much bigger part of Pall Mall's fame. Can we include some commentary about this? I know this isn't a great source, but I see this claim in the Daily Mirror: "Pall Mall has unshackled itself from the lowly chains of being a Pink property, and would now be a Green property." At the very least we should say what colour group the street is in. StAnselm (talk) 02:30, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I've added the colour group, as that is verifiable, and dropped in a source similar to yours (though not with a reputation for being a tabloid) but surprisingly there is little other mention of the street's association with Monopoly in reliable sources. There is this Daily Telegraph report that documents house price rises, but Pall Mall is not mentioned among them. Tim Moore's "Do Not Pass Go" documents several reasons for choosing the particular squares by Waddington's Victor Watson and Marjorie Phillips (compare and contrast this article with The Angel, Islington, which has an entire paragraph dedicated to Monopoly, but only because there is the coverage in sources for it), but there doesn't seem to be much about Pall Mall other than the clubs and cigarette manufacturers. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:40, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

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