Talk:Palmer v. Kleargear.com

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keep, 19 November 2013 (UTC), see discussion.
keep and move, 3 July 2014 (UTC), see discussion.

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Coming to a consensus on this article[edit]

Personally I think an AfD nomination for "delete" would have been justified. Kleargear, as a company, aren't really notable enough to have their own article. I for one had not heard of KG before this whole thing even blew up.

However, I think both the people calling ZOMG WIKIPEDIA CENSORS EVERY111!!!1 and the people wanting coverage of the Kleargear controversy (by the way Wikipedia is NOT a newspaper!) could both have their way by renaming the article to something along the lines of 2013 Kleargear controversy?

I must also admit WP:NPOV did come to mind the second I finished reading. It's very one sided and not encyclopedic in tone at all. The fact it's also orphaned should also give some idea of its' non-notability.☭ cmn ☭ ( ❝❞ /✍ ) 19:44, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are a lot of important concepts in this article , and news media continue to raise them (with reference to klear gear). I think the solution is cleaning up and improving, not deleting. The company is part of a greater issue — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.84.205.194 (talk) 16:12, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Added a link from Striesand effect[edit]

Using this case as an example. Is one enough to remove the orphan note? Uneffect (talk) 14:48, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, one link is enough for it to no longer be an orphan. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 12:23, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This text:

The public backlash against KlearGear's actions are an example of the Streisand effect.

...hardly seems backed up by reality, Kleargear is still doing large volume business, and has recently reintroduced the offending policy. So exactly what "backlash"? They pissed off a bunch of Slashdot readers and made the national media, but "backlash"? Not much, really. Taco Viva (talk) 01:17, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am not even sure if the clauses in their terms are even legal. Something gives me a feeling that we will see mpre about this company in the future thqn this one instance of possibly fraudulant charges. 98.117.83.122 (talk) 04:09, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

CEO[edit]

I notice that someone would like to change the name of the CEO based on a citation to Ripoff Report. We need a better source than this, as Ripoff Report is an even worse source than CNN iReport. I'm not entirely sure that we should even be listing any names if those are the best sources available. I'll see what I can find. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:56, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As a follow-up, I was able to locate a source from 2012 that identifies Gersten as the President. Unreliable sources, such as blogs and random affiliate websites, seem to connect Bermender in some way to Kleargear. Until we can get a reliable source that conclusively connects him in a direct way (preferably with a specific job title), I would oppose the inclusion of his name. Our job is to neutrally provide verifiable facts cited to reliable sources, not name-and-shame possibly unrelated persons. These additions arguably violate our policy on biographies of living persons. If the problematic edits continue, I will seek page protection for this article again. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 07:04, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Removed raising of ethical questions language[edit]

I removed the language regarding the 'raising of ethical questions' section here. The article quotes a single attorney who offers an opinion. At best, we could say that a single attorney thinks the clause is unenforceable but it seems extraneous. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:27, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good call. I further streamlined the criticism section to remove a bit of trivia, such as same attorney's comments about Kleargear's headquarters, how they never showed up in court (that's what a default judgment is), etc. I also combined a few related paragraphs. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:36, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protection of both article and talk page[edit]

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