Talk:Pandeism

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Requested move 21 February 2015[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Oppose and support votes are in equal numbers, and some of the support !votes seem to depend on a direct appeal not to use WP:COMMONNAME, which seems a dubious application of policy. Leaning "no move", but will call it no consensus. (non-admin closure)  — Amakuru (talk) 13:40, 3 March 2015 (UTC)



PandeismPan-deism – Pan-deism or perhaps Pan-Deism. I do realize this theological model is by far most commonly not hyphenated. But having taken a greater and greater interest in the subject I find it increasingly irritating when detractors mockingly intimate that it is must require the worship of pandas. Were it to become more commonly presented as hyphenated, it would avoid this fopwhatery. (I don't propose extending this to Pantheism or Panentheism or Panendeism.) relisted --Mike Cline (talk) Pandeist (talk) 05:23, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Support, Pan-Deism as per Pan-Islamism and similar. The change brings no change in meaning. It seems to me to be a logical move so as to clarify the actual wording. GregKaye 15:39, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Support – This is a logical thing to do. Most words involving the "pan" prefix are hyphenated (note GregKaye's example). This provides a clearer title than the present one, which looks like a mishmash and could be read incorrectly. RGloucester 03:50, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Use Pan-Deism -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 07:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - As acknowledged by the nominator, the common, widespread form is "Pandeism", not "Pan-deism". We use the form that is most commonly used, not the form we personally want to see used by people... no matter how many silly panda jokes are made. The policy for this is WP:COMMONNAME. And there are plenty of compound words beginning with "pan" that are not hyphenated: pandemic, pangenesis, pansexual, pansophy, etc... not to mention panentheism and pantheism. I don't think it's all that confusing. -kotra (talk) 21:14, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose, much more obscure usage, Google "Pandeism" and you'll see 50,000+ results, "Pan-deism" gets only about 2,000. Searching in books is much the same, "Pandeism" gets about a thousand, "Pan-deism" gets 67. Again with Google scholar, "Pandeism" turns up 80 returns, "Pan-deism" gets one. This is the opposite of the numbers with "Pan-Islamic" by the way. Torquemama007 (talk) 13:50, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose, there is no comparison to Pan-Islamism, which is an attempt to encompass all of Islam. Pandeism is not an attempt to encompass all of Deism, but is a subset of Deism that is pantheistic instead of monotheistic. 63.117.186.3 (talk) 03:49, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Would somebody please relist this move? Blessings!! Pandeist (talk) 20:44, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Merge from God becomes the universe?[edit]

Shouldn't God becomes the universe be merged into this article? Editor2020, Talk 04:45, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

@@Editor2020: I would completely agree but most of what is now in God becomes the universe (which ought to be at God becomes the Universe was originally on this page until it was moved to that one by people who were affixed to the conviction that including any reference to such a theory where such reference does not use the word "Pandeism" or a variant of it was WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH. Pandeist (talk) 21:04, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
If you wish to read up on this it is all in Talk:Pandeism/Archive 2. Pandeist (talk) 01:58, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
And it might do to appeal directly to the prime movers of the original divisional effort: User:LCS check, User:TippyGoomba, User:Dennis Brown. Pandeist (talk) 05:37, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Any source that talks about God becoming or being the whole universe isn't "Pandeism" unless it IS talking about that specifically. Pandeism isn't the only spiritual philosophy that that covers this, so you can't assume. That is like saying any source that just mentions Jesus MUST be talking about Christianity, when the Jews, Muslims and the Bahá'í Faith also talk about him. My participation was about removing OR, and claiming that all sources MUST be talking about Pandeism just because they talk about god became the universe, well, that is the de facto definition of original research here. You can believe that god is the universe without being a Pandeist. Two articles is best because one is exclusive to Pandeism, the other talks about concepts shared with Pandeism. I would agree with the capitalization of Universe as well, given the context, as we are talking about a proper noun not just a body of stars and planets. Dennis Brown - 14:05, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
    • I also agree to no merge. God becomes the Universe-what does it mean? That something starts as God and ends up as the Universe. Pandeism is very specific that it is a Universe without consciousness, without intervention, but some God could become the Universe and not give up some kind of intervention, so it is also Panentheism or other kinds of Pantheism. Torquemama007 (talk) 17:42, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Translating stuff out?[edit]

A dozen or so other language wikis boast Pandeism pages, some having substance, but most remaining in comparatively meager shape next to this one. I made a go at Google translating some into Italian but it got kicked out there as gibberish. So, if anybody speaks any language needing buffing up here, do have a go. Blessings!! Pandeist (talk) 03:34, 22 June 2015 (UTC)