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Montage[edit]

Wouldn't the image on the right (which is used on this article in French) be better in the montage? ImprovedWikiImprovment (disputationem) 12:39, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Paris - Eiffelturm und Marsfeld2.jpg
The present image seems fine. It not only shows the tower but the river, other landmarks and buildings, and the general layout of the city. The Eiffel tower is a recognizable landmark and symbol, but does not represent all-things-Paris, and the present image portrays that. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:54, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
The present image is fine, as it presents an overall aspect of Paris how it really is. TP   15:27, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
The suggested image shows more of La Defense (a Paris suburb) than Paris, which isn't representative of Paris at all. See talk page archives: consensus has always been against it (with reason), and many attempts to force it (that exact same image... again?) on this article have always been overturned. TP   15:41, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
What's more: that image is almost ten years old, so it isn't even representative of La Defense anymore. TP   17:49, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
I still think there should be an image that at least shows the financial district, it is not even shown in the montage. ImprovedWikiImprovment (disputationem) 23:25, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Technically, that would be Opéra, as La Defense, although it is dependant upon Paris, is not in Paris (and the time where the not-yet-popularily-referenced Métropole du Grand Paris (the term 'Paris region' still reigns here for referring to the Paris area, but the use of 'la metropole' is rising) will be called simply 'Paris' (even colloquially) is still decades away). Although I would not be against a La Defense skyscraper-skyline having a minor place in the montage, perhaps as a bottom montage-width panel, in the past there were more than a few against this sort of 'stretch', so let's see what others have to say. TP   03:44, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia isn’t written on technicalities; the current montage portrays Paris as an entirely −old city not even showing its modern areas. ImprovedWikiImprovment (disputationem) 17:59, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
That doesn't even make any sense. Wikipedia articles are written on reliable-referenced, demonstrable fact. TP   18:42, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Technically, going by the official city walls (City of London), London has fewer than 10,000 inhabitants; is this correct? No, even if it’s technically true, it’s wrong. That’s what I meant. ImprovedWikiImprovment (disputationem) 20:23, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
That's not 'technically', that's non sequitur (an ESSAY we've heard (parroted) a thousand times before in the same manner: see talk:archives): Greater London is known colloquially as London today (and has been since a while); the Métropole du Grand Paris, the Paris aire urbaine and/or the Paris Region are not known as Paris. TP   21:00, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
The montage includes the Louvre Pyramid, built in 1989, so that's part of the new notable things in Paris. Paris is many things, and one of them is old and historic, as well as new and vibrant. La Défense is not in Paris, and has its own article, although it is near enough and contains enough notable components to count in a mental and tourism map of the city - and look at the huge image of La Défense in the Economy section, so it's well represented on the page. If it were just me I'd add an image of the Montmartre Museum to the montage. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:29, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
You really don't think La Défense is considered Paris? I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong I just find that surprising. It's important to remember it is Europe's largest business district. ImprovedWikiImprovment (disputationem) 22:20, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
This is a referenced encyclopaedia, not an ESSAY only the most ignorant won't laugh at. TP   00:01, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Laugh at what exactly? I said “I’m not saying you’re wrong” because you’re probably not; I just asked a question. ImprovedWikiImprovment (disputationem) 07:07, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

La Defense is not in Paris, as the article on La Defense makes clear. Paris has enough picturesque sites without having to reach outside the city limits. SiefkinDR (talk) 09:55, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Consensus: La Défense is not Paris. Coldcreation (talk) 12:01, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

postGIS update - new maps coming[edit]

Dear all,

I'm in the midst of setting up a dedicated postGIS server (that will host my extensive collection of Paris geographical (etc.) data)... which will make it a cinch to create actual, up-to-date (and on-the-fly) statistical and city-evoloution maps. If France's statistics publication becomes more standardised (and accessible!), this will make the job even easier, but the 'opendata' initiative (and the resulting geographical data) is already a great leap ahead. I'll be experimenting through the summer, and will post any updates/questions thereof here. Cheers. TP   09:14, 12 July 2018 (UTC) PS: and of course: any suggestions or requests would be helpful.TP   06:31, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Coordinate errors[edit]

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You haven't explained what is wrong with the coordinates, and those in the article appear to be correct. If you think that something is erroneous, you'll need to provide a clear explanation of what it is. Deor (talk) 21:19, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Survey about population figures in the lead[edit]

Dear Paris watchers: The first two paragraphs of the lead currently give four different population figures for Paris; the population of the city, the population of the unité urban, the population of the aire urbaine, and the population in the 17th century. The metropolitan area is also mentioned, but without explaining what it is. The Paris region is mentioned several times, but its population isn't mentioned at all. Grand Paris is also not mentioned.

I think that too much space in the lead is devoted to explaining statistics abstractions which are interesting in the demographic context, but don't have any meaning for other readers. I would propose that the lead cite only the most current population of the city of Paris and that of the Paris Region. The other numbers can be moved to the section on demographics, where they can be fully explained and put into context.

What do others think? Please vote for the option you prefer. Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 18:31, 2 November 2018 (UTC)