Talk:Parkour

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Former good article Parkour was one of the Sports and recreation good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
Date Process Result
February 26, 2007 Peer review Reviewed
August 29, 2007 Good article nominee Listed
January 30, 2009 Good article reassessment Delisted
Current status: Delisted good article

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Although David could be called one of the fathers ignoring Sébastien Foucan seems pretty biased. The article should say: David is considered ONE OF THE FATHERS's...--172.56.13.114 (talk) 10:50, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
David started before the others. ··gracefool 💬 02:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Parkour/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MPJ-DK (talk · contribs) 01:49, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


I will be picking up the review of this one - both for the Wiki Cup and the GA cup as well. I will be making my review comments over the next couple of days.

Side note, I would love some input on a couple of Featured List candidates, Mexican National Light Heavyweight Championship and NWA World Historic Welterweight Championship. I am not asking for Quid pro Quo, but all help is appreciated.  MPJ-US  01:49, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

  • @Gracefool: First round of feedback for the GA review.
  • There is a "[citation needed]" tag on the page that needs to be addressed.
  • There is a "[who?]" tag on the page that needs to be addressed.

GA Toolbox[edit]

I like to get this checked out first, I have found issues using this that has led to quick fails so it's important this passes muster.

Peer review tool
  • Headlines should not start with "The" such as "The Yamakasi"
  • Please make the spelling of English words consistent with either American or British spelling, depending upon the subject of the article. Examples include: honor (A) (British: honour), behaviour (B) (American: behavior), favourite (B) (American: favorite), meter (A) (British: metre), defense (A) (British: defence), organize (A) (British: organise), realize (A) (British: realise), ization (A) (British: isation), program (A) (British: programme), programme (B) (American: program ).
  • Article has a "[which?]" tag that needs to be addressed.
Copyright violations Tool
  • Possible issue - Can you shed any light on if they copied Wikipedia or the other way around?
  • http://parkour-dubai.com/philosophies-in-parkour has a 94.3% similarity, large portions of the text is identical per the tool
  • this source lists a phrase that's overlapping, please revise the sentence below
  • "Academic research on parkour has tended to describe how parkour provides a novel way of interacting with the urban environment that challenges the use and meaning of urban space, metropolitan life, and embodiment."
Disambiguation links
  • No problems Green tickY
External links
  • The link titled "Generation Yamakasi" is dead
  • "Parkour at UGA (practice policy)" is dead
  • LInk named "is there any equipment cost..." is dead
  • "Youths on roofs" is dead.

Well Written[edit]

Lead
  • "others, and is" does not need the comma
Entymology
  • "obstacle-course" is not hypenated but "obstacle course"
Raymond and David Belle
  • "During the First Indochina War his father" needs a comma after War
  • "and he was sent to a military" that is two "Ands" in a row, how about "after which he was sent to a military"?
  • "endurance, strength and flexibility" needs a comma after strength
  • "athletics, but became" does not need a comma
The Yamakasi
  • "find physical" should be "find the physical"
  • "During this time a conflict" should be "During this time, a conflict"
  • "competing interests" competing or perhaps "conflicting interests"?
  • "leave the group, and" does not need the comma
Competition
  • "sport competition" should be "sports competition"
  • "self refinement" should be "self-refinement"
  • Typo "practised" should be "practiced"
  • "sport-shoes manufacturers" should be "sportshoe manufacturers"
  • "adaptation, creativity and freedom" needs a comma after "creatitity"
  • "The 'Leave No Trace' project" - just mentioned as a side note, what is this? who is organizing it?
  • "When injuries do occur, many members in the parkour community encourage pursuing the most scientifically sound method to recovery and future prevention." that is a really generic statement, can you be more specific?
  • "they learnt no special" should be "they learned that no special"
  • "Coca-Cola, Nike and Toyota" needs a comma after Nike
  • "large scale" should be "large-scale"
  • "Indian administered" should be "Indian-administered"
  • "Through visual media, news sites like these have made global the community efforts of traceurs in the Middle East and Southeast Asia." generic sounding, can you be more specfic?
  • "six episode" should be "six-episode"
  • "with hopes to teach" should be "with hopes of teaching"
  • " and some members of the United States Marine Corps have tried parkour." considering how many Marines there are and what they do this really does not say much of anything at all.

Sources/verifiable[edit]

  • There are references in the lead - there really shouldn't be any references unless the lead covers something not also mentioned in the article. 
  • No reference for the first Parkour Jam?
  • Refernce 6 - very little detail on the source - who did the interview? for what media etc.?
  • Reference 7 - title is formatted incorrectly and has text in danish?
  • Reference 17 - missing basic information such as publisher, accessdate etc.
  • Reference 20 - missing basic information
  • Reference 50 - listed as "Cine Parkour" but same reference is listed as "Angel" elsewhere, consistency please.
  • Reference 61 - missing basic information
  • Reference 62 - missing basic information
  • Reference 63 - missing basic information
  • Reference 66 - missing basic information
  • Reference 62 - missing basic information
  • Reference 72 - missing basic information
  • Reference 86 - missing basic information
  • Reference 87 - missing basic information
  • Reference 88 - missing basic information, showing the url

Broad in coverage[edit]

  • Yes

Neutral[edit]

  • Not finding anything obviously wrong here.

Stable[edit]

  • Hmmm I do see some discussions on if Freerunning is actually a seperate entity deserving of it's own article - I agree I don;'t see anything in Freerunning that indicates it's NOT Parkour. Looking at the last year or so that discussion does seem to have died down, not sure if it is because someone gave up or a consenus was reached.

Illustrated / Images[edit]

  • No issues found Green tickY

General[edit]

  • @Gracefool: - I have completed my review and I will put the article on hold for at least 7 days to allow for improvements to be made, more time can be given if I see that you're in the middle of making updates.  MPJ-US  02:25, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
  • @Gracefool: - Review has been on hold for six days, I need to see improvement activity by tomorrow to be able to justify keeping the review open.  MPJ-US  12:42, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for this, really nice work. Luckily I logged in today! I've started fixing the problems.
I've finished the spelling and well written issues. Though with the latter, that was make-work - it would've been faster to just fix the purely grammatical issues yourself and I could have just as effectively learnt from the mistakes (not that I wrote most of them in the first place)... I disagree with one: I think it's better to keep the comma in "chose to leave the group, and used the name".
Re stable, would that really be an issue? The worst case would be merging Freerunning back, which would have minimal impact on this article as it contains most of the content already.
··gracefool 💬 02:22, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
  • I disagree that you would have learned from me fixing it just as effectively, I do IT training for a living, people learn less from watching me do fix an issue than having them fix it while I supervise. As for Freerunning I mainly brought it up because that seems to be the main content dispute on the article, but like I stated it looks like it has not been an issue for a year or so. Not sure if anything really can be addressed right now, just something to watch for.  MPJ-US  09:54, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
  • I have no problems with THIS article if free running remains separate, it can still be a GA. @Gracefool: do you believe you have addressed everything else??  MPJ-US  21:03, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
  • @Gracefool: - I see stuff still unaddressed, it has been quite a while, which is partly my fault for being really busy IRL, but I am going to fail it. Feel free to address the issues and apply again.  MPJ-US  12:35, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Article presents a gender-biased view[edit]

I find it hard to believe that in current parkour NOT ONE woman (or for that matter, non-Caucasian) could be used for the photos here. There is also no discussion of gender in this sport.... Something that many, many parkour groups are openly discussing (see: Google, "women in parkour.") — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:6824:D8D0:28BA:CA3D:68CB:9628 (talk) 12:50, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Feel free to add photos or content! That's what Wikipedia is all about. ··gracefool 💬 21:46, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Unverifiable history?[edit]

The 'History' section of this article, in particular section 2.2 about Raymond and David Belle, appears to lack independent sources. References - placed at the end of paragraphs - are to Belle's brief obituary (not a biography) in a French fire fighting magazine(?), and to a book by Julie Angel that I cannot view and so cannot directly refute its quality or sources; the words seem to come from an individual's discussion of their life. Some of this history can presumably never be independently verified, and if left in should be referred to as 'claims' or 'statements'. For instance, instead of "He took it upon himself to train harder and longer than everyone else in order to never be a victim. At night, when everyone else was asleep, he would be outside running or climbing trees" I suggest "Raymond has said of this period that he took it upon himself..." (with the appropriate adjustment of grammar and language).

This similarly applies to the text preceding my example - unless there is proof of birth, parents, father's death, orphanage etc. Ambiguosity (talk) 04:37, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

I haven't read Ciné Parkour either but from what I know of Julie I expect it is high quality. Despite their lower accessibility, books are generally Wikipedia's best sources, so it's fair to assume the facts as stated are correct. That said I agree it could do with more objective wording; go ahead and be bold. ··gracefool 💬 21:45, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

"Trying to do parkour?"[edit]

Is it reasonable to say the thirteen-year-old who fell through a skylight died "trying to do parkour?" Both the articles cited say he was "doing parkour" or "parkouring," so an obvious choice has been made to tweak the wording. If someone dies surfing or skiing we don't say they died "trying to surf" or "trying to ski." I suggest the wording should reflect what is in the sources cited, and not someone's personal opinion about the skill of the deceased.Sadiemonster (talk) 15:20, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sadiemonster: Your comment and suggested change seems reasonable. Be bold. --Izno (talk) 15:35, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! Change made. Sadiemonster (talk) 00:59, 14 January 2017 (UTC)