Talk:Participatory action research

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This article is beyond help![edit]

I'm sorry to write this, but where does one start to improve an article such as this? It's a nightmare- I for one do not fancy adding inline citations to this- Christmas is only 6 weeks away! Not wanting to be unplesant, but how did it get here? Richard Nowell (talk) 18:52, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Richard Nowell An easy start is deleting content which has no citation at all. No one is obligated to add inline citations, even though it is problematic for them to remain long-term. If you have content to share then you can add that properly as you like. If you wish to remove content with a citation then you can WP:BB and do that also, but please note why you do this on the talk page.
This page came to be this way because it was made by a new editor who created this article then left Wikipedia after three months, and now almost two years has passed. Most Wikipedia content is contributed by users who are not here regularly and do not know site formatting rules. Often they leave before someone teaches them, and I think that happened in this case. The article remains because we presume that the content looks good enough to not be deleted outright and leave nothing for people to find. You could propose to delete it all, if you had a reason and wished to do so. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:01, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
So is it worth trying to improve it, or should I go and do something else? Obviously there is lots of content and references but homogenising the two is a major task. Richard Nowell (talk) 19:10, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Richard Nowell I cannot say whether you would find value in improving this article. Speaking for myself, I like to spend my time doing things that will have the most impact for the most Wikipedia readers, so I make decisions about my time by looking at the audience traffic to Wikipedia articles. Here is the traffic report for this article, which says it gets about 6000 visits per month. Most Wikipedia articles get fewer than 5000 pageviews per month, so this article is getting above-average traffic. A fairly popular Wikipedia article will get 20,000 views per month, so among popular Wikipedia articles this one is less popular. Personally, I would rather spend time developing a more popular article so that my time can benefit more people. I make exceptions when there is some topic close to my interests, in which case I would develop a less popular article.
I cannot say how you should spend your time, but perhaps you also would be gratified to check pageviews by clicking the "history" tab then "page view statistics" on articles that you like. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:24, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Let's improve the references[edit]

Anyone got any ideas about the best way to improve the references in this article? There are plenty of them, they are just not in a style you would expect on Wikipedia. I guess there are two sub-questions:

  • What do we want the references to look like? e.g. Do we want separate "Notes" and "References" sections like the article on Paul Tibbets?
  • What is the best way to get this? e.g. Is there some kind of script that can help? Or is it best to edit it manually?

(I am pinging @Bazonka: @Mike Peel: and @HJ Mitchell: cos they know stuff.)

Yaris678 (talk) 12:14, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

@Yaris678: I'd recommend reformatting all of the refs at the bottom to use the cite journal template and with <ref name="LastYEAR">..</ref> around them, put them in {{Reflist|40em|(refs here)}}, and then run through the text to replace the current text refs with <ref name="LastYEAR" />'s. Search/replace in a text editor might help speed things up. I'd keep them all in the same section, as I think that's the most user-friendly way to do it (you don't have to click twice on the reference tag and then the reference link to see the reference info). I'd be happy to help if you want to take this approach, although I know other people prefer other (often more complicated) approaches! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:19, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Ooof. I've basically spent the whole weekend on it... and manually wikified the references. I haven't put them all in template format, but that would be at least another weekend gone. If anyone has a clever way of doing that quicker, that would be great.
BTW, viewing that diff is probably best done with WikEdDiff or similar, cos the standard diff gets confused part way through the references section.
Yaris678 (talk) 01:07, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Nice work, well done! Mike Peel (talk) 07:19, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Excellent work!Richard Nowell (talk) 14:55, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Ivory tower[edit]

Does it make sense to include a link to Ivory tower in the "See also" section? I note the following changes:

Let's discuss it here.

Yaris678 (talk) 13:59, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

OK. I haven't seen any discussion, so I've brought it back. My reasoning is basically the same as in my earlier edit summary - I don't think adding it was vandalism. PAR is aiming to be the opposite of ivory tower so this is an interesting addition to "see also".
Yaris678 (talk) 09:47, 19 March 2016 (UTC)