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Regarding the "other" Pastwatch novels[edit]

EnderWiggin (talk) 16:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC) Regarding the "other" Pastwatch novels: although the premise (sci-fi/temporal elements) points to Pastwatch, I don't think that Card's statement identifies the books as being part of the past watch series, much less state the actual titles the the books will have. Until actual confirmation, shouldn't the actual statement be displayed on this article instead of having their own articles?

From an interview ate CNN:

Question: Do you plan to write a novel that follows the events of Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus? Perhaps one that explores the alternate history created in that novel?

Orson Card: Pastwatch is pretty much a sequel-proof story. What we have planned for further books in the Pastwatch series (yep, series) are books that take place sort of in the midst of the Columbus book. There's the Noah book, which tells Kemal's story as frame but Noah's story and the flood as the main tale, and then there's the Garden of Eden story - yep, the hoariest cliche in science fiction, but I have no fear, the artsy types couldn't possibly despise me more, and I think there's a reason why it is the most-written cliche story in the field. People are hungry for a rational treatment of that story in science fictional terms. So ... I mean to give it a try. We'll see if anyone but me likes it. Pmcalduff (talk) 00:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Confirmation[edit]

moved from Talk:Pastwatch: The Garden of Eden, now a redirect

From an interview ate CNN:

Question: Do you plan to write a novel that follows the events of Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus? Perhaps one that explores the alternate history created in that novel?

Orson Card: Pastwatch is pretty much a sequel-proof story. What we have planned for further books in the Pastwatch series (yep, series) are books that take place sort of in the midst of the Columbus book. There's the Noah book, which tells Kemal's story as frame but Noah's story and the flood as the main tale, and then there's the Garden of Eden story - yep, the hoariest cliche in science fiction, but I have no fear, the artsy types couldn't possibly despise me more, and I think there's a reason why it is the most-written cliche story in the field. People are hungry for a rational treatment of that story in science fictional terms. So ... I mean to give it a try. We'll see if anyone but me likes it. Pmcalduff (talk) 00:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

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Pastwatch[edit]

moved from Talk:Pastwatch: The Flood, now a redirect

EnderWiggin (talk) 16:04, 19 February 2008 (UTC) Although the premise (sci-fi/temporal elements) points to Pastwatch, I don't think that Card's statement identifies the books as being part of the past watch series, much less state the actual titles the the books will have. Until actual confirmation, shouldn't these books be just a note on the Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus page?

From an interview ate CNN:

Question: Do you plan to write a novel that follows the events of Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus? Perhaps one that explores the alternate history created in that novel?

Orson Card: Pastwatch is pretty much a sequel-proof story. What we have planned for further books in the Pastwatch series (yep, series) are books that take place sort of in the midst of the Columbus book. There's the Noah book, which tells Kemal's story as frame but Noah's story and the flood as the main tale, and then there's the Garden of Eden story - yep, the hoariest cliche in science fiction, but I have no fear, the artsy types couldn't possibly despise me more, and I think there's a reason why it is the most-written cliche story in the field. People are hungry for a rational treatment of that story in science fictional terms. So ... I mean to give it a try. We'll see if anyone but me likes it. Pmcalduff (talk) 00:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

On the other hand, the most recent mention linked is from 2001, and http://www.hatrack.com/osc/bibliography/index.shtml (also linked from the article) doesn't even mention it as an upcoming book. Was it there at some point and then removed? If so, did the site maintainers have a particular reason? --DocumentN (talk) 07:20, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
On the other other hand it took thirteen years for Rasputin (the sequel to Lovelock) to be listed as an upcoming book in Card's bibliography and the third book in the trilogy hasn't appeared yet.Pmcalduff (talk) 10:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Thirteen years of the book actually being contracted and in-progress, or just thirteen years from Lovelock? Also, being too lazy to update isn't the same thing as deliberately removing a title. --DocumentN (talk) 18:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Here is a post I copied from the Pastwatch series talk page. Although I can't use it as an official source I think it justifies the existence of this page:
I emailed Orson Scott Cards website and got a response from his assistant. There is a Pastwatch the flood and it is different from columbus, but it has not been written yet and there is no publication date Lynch2007 (talk) 22:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Pmcalduff (talk) 13:14, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
That doesn't sound to you like exactly the kind of thing someone would make up? Even if it's not, he could have misinterpreted the message, or unknowingly reached a fansite. Also, in what sense can a book that hasn't been written or scheduled for publication be said to exist? --DocumentN (talk) 22:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Fair enough question. I added the word "proposed" to the article.Pmcalduff (talk) 02:38, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
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Redirects[edit]

I moved here the content of 2 article's talk now redirecting here, in the above 2 sections. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pastwatch: The Flood- Nabla (talk) 12:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Translations section[edit]

Please do NOT remove "Translations" section. It is the usual practice for articles about books to provide the list of foreign language editions of the book. It may include translated title, its reverse translation (if needed), the year of the first edition, maybe its ISBN number, etc. This information is relevant for a described book and its notability. Verdi (talk) 06:31, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Wrong redirect[edit]

I understand why the redirect exists - but since there's a page for the Pastwatch series, wouldn't that be a far more appropriate place to redirect than another book in the series? Darquis (talk) 23:32, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with this. Aardvark92 (talk) 19:32, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Thirded. Kleptosquirrel (talk) 04:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Since no one has voiced disagreement in eight months, I went ahead and changed it. Aardvark92 (talk) 06:09, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

minor

Contrarty to what the article says, it is not true that "TrueSite II machines (unlike their predecessors) can send information into the past". 84.108.160.70 (talk) 22:19, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Merger Proposal[edit]

Proposal to merge the article Pastwatch series with this one. I don't believe a couple of very old quotes, that have not born out and proved inaccurate, about intended books to form a series as sequels to this 17 year old book, necessitates an article or has the notability to justify one. All it needs is a note in this article noting that sequels were proposed to form a series but have not eventuated. Also the initial description of this books being in the 'Pastwatch series' and the infobox link to 'followed by' Pastwatch; The Flood. Should be corrected since the series does not exist nor does any sequel. All points as per WP:NOTCRYSTAL. 121.74.247.109 (talk) 03:02, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. This can all become a section at the bottom of the existing book. If/when a new book comes out then a new article can be created. - SimonLyall (talk) 00:28, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 Done --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:51, 14 August 2015 (UTC)