Talk:Paul Singer (businessman)

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Fixing procedural oversight - deletion during RfC[edit]

Archiving in relation to above RFC. Only in death does duty end (talk) 23:58, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hello. I just, again, removed vulture from the lead, as has been done several times these past few years. I believe these discussions are proof that there are valid "good-faith BLP objections” to the inclusion of vulture in the lead:

  1. Current RfC: ongoing
  1. Arbitration discussion on the validity of the prior consensus: also ongoing

On restoring deleted content, Wikipedia’s WP:BLPREQUESTRESTORE reads:

To ensure that material about living people is written neutrally to a high standard, and based on high-quality reliable sources, the burden of proof is on those who wish to retain, restore, or undelete the disputed material. When material about living persons has been deleted on good-faith BLP objections, any editor wishing to add, restore, or undelete it must ensure it complies with Wikipedia's content policies. If it is to be restored without significant change, consensus must be obtained first. Material that has been repaired to address concerns should be judged on a case-by-case basis.

These two discussions provide evidence that there is currently no clear consensus in favor of keeping vulture in the lead.

To make my thought process clear, this is not an attempt to silence or ignore voices in the RfC that I may not agree with. Singer is not the point of contention in the most recent RfC, but the broader concept of “vulture fund/capitalist” being used in a BLP or company lead as a descriptor - that discussion is still ongoing, and I have not closed it. This deletion is an attempt to fix a procedural oversight, until that RfC concludes.

Having analyzed WP:BLPREQUESTRESTORE from every angle, I believe my action is entirely proper and in the best interest of the content and its neutrality, fitting both the nature of the guideline as well as its exact wording. I will be more than willing to revert my deletion, if consensus (i.e. the burden of proof) settles in that direction, per WP:BLPREQUESTRESTORE. Yvarta (talk) 23:15, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

I have reverted per BRD and long term status quo. Please stop POV pushing here. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 01:40, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that "Vulture capitalist"/"Vulture capitalist" is a derogatory slur first. There is no consensus that it is and multiple previous RfCs have not demonstrated it. And as I have said before, you are constantly confusing "Vulture" with "Vulture capitalist"/"Vulture fund" and saying that the word apparently inherits some connotation. I will politely request you to withdraw and not waste any more time here. Your actions are exactly what constitutes Civil POV pushing. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 01:58, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
POV pushing can, if you don't mind me saying, always be argued both ways in a contentious situation. If you have evidence that current consensus exists in favor of keeping the terms, please present it, in light of WP:BLPREQUESTRESTORE. Thank you! Yvarta (talk) 17:18, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
The long term stable version is consensus. You tried to change it in the RFC, but it didn't happen. Please do not edit war. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 17:25, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
For goodness sake stop reverting! --Lemongirl942 (talk) 17:29, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Please provide evidence that a long-term "stable" (as you claim) version is evidence of consensus, and not the current RfC itself, or associated discussions on the validity of the RfC, per WP:BLPREQUESTRESTORE. Thank you! Yvarta (talk) 17:33, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Apparently you haven't been editing Wikipedia for a long time to know that. There is no consensus that what you are trying to remove is a BLP violation. We go by WP:WEIGHT here. Please see previous RFCs as well. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 17:36, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
I would agree with your assessment that there is no consensus that there is a BLP violation. That, I would think, is rather obvious as the RfC is ongoing. Note that until evidence of consensus is brought forth, the burden of evidence has not been supplied per WP:BLPREQUESTRESTORE. I will stepping away from this discussion for at least a day to avoid becoming curt in my responses, but I will be happy to discuss in more detail when I return. Yvarta (talk) 17:57, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) If there's another revert by Yvarta, I'll do the honours... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:36, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
@Lemongirl942: In response to the "long term stable version is consensus"... If anything, the long term stable version was the one prior to the pejorative being inserted throughout Singer's page. Once the slur was added is when users took the issue to the talk page and multiple noticeboards. Meatsgains (talk) 18:15, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
I looked at this previous RFC which was formally closed. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 18:27, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Why not close the above discussion and put an end to this nonsense (preferably a neutral editor this time). It's long overdue. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 03:14, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

I agree, I would love for an experienced and neutral editor to close the RfC, after assessing all the relevant comments. Hopefully that will happen in due time. Yvarta (talk) 18:19, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
Came here via WP:AN3RR. I don't see the need to remove this content as it's supposed by sources. If sources are a concern then this can discussed. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:56, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

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The Forward[edit]

@Meatsgains: In response to this removal: in what way is The Forward biased? Do you realize that it's a Jewish publication that covers both sides of the Zionism debate? Either way, I see no reason to remove the mention that he is a major funder of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies because that is a completely objective statement made by a reliable mainstream source. Franzboas (talk) 01:25, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

I suppose the source isn't of major concern here, its more over neutrality of the term "hawkish". Meatsgains (talk) 16:18, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Paradise papers[edit]

Probably worth noting he's on the list of people involved in the scandal.[1] [2] SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 02:15, 8 November 2017 (UTC)