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Ruthlessly replaced by current text: The Pazzi family is famous for its conspiracy to kill Lorenzo de' Medici, termed the Pazzi conspiracy in 1478.

When Pope Sixtus IV needed to borrow money and went to Lorenzo de' Medici, he was turned down due to a disagreement over a personal matter. Sixtus then turned to the Pazzi family to borrow money, and quickly made a member of the Salviati family (who were also hostile to the Medici) the archbishop of Pisa.

The Pazzi family quickly put together a plan to assassinate Lorenzo as he was leaving church. The plan was widely known, even the pope was reported to have said "I support it, as long as no one is killed." The assassination attempt failed in killing Lorenzo, but succeeded in killing his younger brother Giuliano. As retribution, Lorenzo had hundreds of people executed, including a cardinal and the archbishop of Pisa. Lorenzo also moved on to remove any of the last vestiges of democratic government in Florence, replacing all members of council with de' Medici supporters.

Are there any details that were omitted from the revised text that anyone wants to defend as historically accurate? Wetman 11:20, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)


"Madmen"[edit]

"Pazzi" means "madmen" in Italian, but there is no relation, isn't it?

Those medieval nicknames that stuck are sometimes worse than that: I knew a Sicilian family named "Mangiafico" (emphasis on the "JA")!Wetman
Actually, there is a legend (see this page) that that is the source of the family name; and there is still an annual ceremony associated with the name. No time to verify it and add it to the page, though! Noel 00:59, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Raffaele Riario[edit]

This article claims he was innocent in the conspiracy which contradicts his own page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raffaele_Riario which claims he was a key conspirator. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.2.230 (talk) 21:12, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Palazzo Pazzi[edit]

The Palazzo Pazzi, the family palace, currently serves as an exhibition hall. No that's the Palazzo Pitti. Wetman 18:27, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Well, the massive "Palaces of Florence" doesn't cover the Pazzi Palace, but I found a web site that says it's now the Palazzo Quaratesi, which "is now, by will of its last owner - a German - administered for a charity in the town of Como". (On the other hand, the same site claims that "Next the Montalvo Palace once stood the ancient palace of the Pazzi, which has been demolished for the national Bank, one of the finest modern buildings of Florence.", so take that with the proverbial grain!) I couldn't find out what the Palazzo Quaratesi is used for now. Noel 00:50, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
PS: There's also the Palazzo Nonfinito, which occupies a space which once was held by the Pazzi (and indeed, the corner was known as the "Canto dei Pazzi"). A member of the Strozzi bought it all in 1592 and tore down the Pazzi houses, and started to build a magnificent pile, but never managed to get it finished (hence the name). It today (after many other interesting roles) houses the Anthropology Department of the University of Florence.
I entered the 1873 Susan and Joanna Horner reference, without adjusting the text. I can't find my old guide to Florence by Bartolini or Mary McCarthy's Stones of Florence. --Wetman 20:26, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Italy's Medici Murder Plot Solved[edit]

Italy's Medici Murder Plot Solved

The Wikipedia article seems to contain some historically inaccurate details. Adraeus 20:39, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The Ubaldini letter is already mentioned. Do you wish to improve the reading Wikipedia gives it here? Be bold!Wetman 21:24, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Separate page for the Conspiracy[edit]

There used to be a separate page for the Pazzi Conspiracy, which someone merged into this page. I feel that the Pazzi's are an important enough family and topic, adn the Pazzi Conspiracy an important enough historical event, that it still deserves a separate page. What's the case for smooshing them together? Noel 00:10, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

If I were to make a heading Main article Pazzi Conspiracy and copy the text into a new article, would User:Jnc enrich it with detail and slightly condense the version here? --Wetman 20:44, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
I think that both pages are notable and large enough to be separated. The presence of other sections on this page obviously shows that the family is known for more than just the conspiracy. -- OsirisV (talk) 01:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Disreputable public images[edit]

"depicted in a painting by Sandro Botticelli on either a wall of the Bargello or a wall of the Dogana, part of the government-complex." Wikipedia has an article devoted to these Quattrocento shaming public depictions, but I cannot recall its title. Would someone more competent than I make a link in the text?--Wetman (talk) 20:31, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't know - it was a common practice, but i have no idea what the wiki page would be. Heather Stein, M.A.; Dra. 14:14, 18 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hfeatherina (talkcontribs)

"Corrected" names[edit]

The "correction" of names in this anonymous edit should be checked against the cited source, Lauro Martines, April Blood: Florence and the Plot Against the Medici (Oxford: Oxford UP, 2003), pp. 187-196.--Wetman (talk) 05:21, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I checked the book online on Amazon and there's no trace of "Vieri de' Pazzi" in the cited pages or in the Index. The Italian version of Wikipedia also states that the hanged man was Renato de' Pazzi and not Vieri. This "Vieri" only comes up in pages about Assassin's Creed or where this Wikipedia article is copypasted.Courtaud (talk) 10:24, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Cultural depiction in the "Hannibal" saga[edit]

A fictional member occurs in the books, film (forgot which one) and the TV series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.182.135.197 (talk) 04:17, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Then that could perhaps be mentioned, with suitable references, in the articles on those topics. It certainly has no place here. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:32, 13 April 2017 (UTC)