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Proposal: Article Split[edit]

As the new Atlanta Streetcar project is set to open this year (2014), and it's called "Atlanta Streetcar", I propose this article be split into two articles:

  1. Steetcars in Atlanta - the portions of this article on the historical Atlanta streetcar system, which would remain in this present article; and
  2. Atlanta Streetcar - the portions of this article dedicated to just the modern Atlanta Streetcar line set to open in 2014, moved to a new, separate article.

Are there any objections to this? --IJBall (talk) 00:28, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree that this needs to happen. The article is unweildy in its current form. The new article will need a linky from Siemens S70 which could be trimmed of duplicated material as well. Woodega (talk) 05:23, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
I agree, but I think that info on modern attempts to build a streetcar (C-Loop for example) should remain in Streetcars in Atlanta as well, as well as stub info about the Atlanta Streetcar Keizers (talk) 00:18, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
That seems to be standard practice for articles likes this, so that's OK. But the modern system will need it's own separate article, especially once it has opened for service. --IJBall (talk) 03:05, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
I guess my only issue is that the current article is full of essentially useless information about dead proposals. It's looking like Atlanta BeltLine is taking over planning for streetcar expansion (http://beltline.org/progress/planning/transit-planning/atlanta-beltline-atlanta-streetcar-system-plan/). The current plan includes some of the concepts from TSPLOST, and the C-Loop proposal seems to be abandoned and subsumed by the new plan now. The other issue is that the Northern Crescent doesn't seem to be part of the modern Atlanta Streetcar system at all. Regardless of whether the current Streetcar gets split out, this article seriously needs a purge. At most, a mention of the existence past proposals in one sentence (at most, one paragraph) with multiple references seems to be all that is needed to avoid too much tedious detail about proposals that are dead. (Also, I created and inserted a rail diagram of the Downtown Loop. It needs to move to the new article if there's a split, and not remain here at all.) Woodega (talk) 05:50, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Update[edit]

I am currently working up a version of an Atlanta Streetcar article, as the new system is about to enter testing (imminently - i.e. within weeks) and will probably be in revenue system by Fall 2014. As of now, the draft article contains mostly content from this article. (I can put a version up at my Sandbox page, if anyone requests that...) Once created, I do not intend to come back to this article to delete any redundant content, and it's possible that I won't include all of the "modern" content from the current article in the new one that some people would want – I would rather leave those kinds of tasks to the more regular editors of this page.

On my end, I'd like to create an Atlanta Streetcar article, soon – preferably in the next week.

As before, if anyone has comments or suggestions, please post them here. --IJBall (talk) 02:36, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

 Done. I've moved most of the content on the coming modern streetcar line over to the Atlanta Streetcar article, and deleted it from here. It would be good if the more regular editors of this page would continue to clean up both the new article, and this one, and move any other content that needs to moved between the articles as needed... Thanks! --IJBall (talk) 03:15, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Proposal: Title Change[edit]

In light of the split discussed above, which I think was a good decision, I propose this article be renamed "History of streetcars in Atlanta". I don't think the content needs much adjustment (for the purposes of this name change; it does need some cleanup, which I intend to work on regardless) but I think this will better differentiate between the two articles. ThunderBacon (talk) 20:05, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

@ThunderBacon: There's no need to do this – in general, it's a pretty widespread practice to have [Streetcars in xxxx] articles either deal with "historical" streetcars systems in city xxxx, or deal with a long-operating streetcar system in city xxxx, while [xxxx Streetcar]-type articles are focused on new modern streetcar systems. So there's no need to tack on "History of..." to the Streetcars in Atlanta article. --IJBall (contribstalk) 20:23, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
@IJBall:Ah, appears you're right, thanks. I'm quite new at this, so still figuring out what's going on. Would I be stepping on toes if I did some copy editing and general cleanup? ThunderBacon (talk) 20:32, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
@ThunderBacon: Nope – no objections at all! Just be clear with about you've done with your edits in your edit summaries, and if anyone "bites back" with a reversion or something then just head to the Talk page here to discuss the details. Good luck! --IJBall (contribstalk) 20:35, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Sounds good. Thanks for the help! ThunderBacon (talk) 20:43, 14 July 2016 (UTC)