Talk:Pelican Bay State Prison

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Vaughn Dortch[edit]

The section referring to Vaughn Dortch begins with the line, "Sex was a charge from early in the prison’s history." This line does not seem to be related to anything in the remainder of the Dortch paragraph and should likely be removed or, if supported by other documentation, moved to another place on the PBSP entry page.Polymath1976 (talk) 12:18, 30 June 2009

Burns[edit]

I see mention of "third degree burns" and I am pretty sure this is incorrect. It's a common mistake. AFAIK third degree burns are impossible to get from "hot water". A third degree burn involves charred skin. You can't char skin unless you get past the boiling point of water. At most, second degree burns would be involved. Severe blistering. First degree burns are mere redness, as one would get from a mild sunburn. The common mistake is to assume 1st degree is the worst, when 3rd degree is in fact worse than 1st or 2nd degree. -- 3:43, 1 April 2008 (PST)

The degree of a burn is classified based upon the layers of tissue affected. 3rd degree means the burn extends through the epidermis & dermis (possibly even to muscle & bone). <http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/burns.html> They might be charred, but don't have to be charred to be classified as 3rd degree burns. In fact, 3rd degree burns are often described as charred or white skin. <http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000030.htm> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amireally (talkcontribs) 19:16, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Third degree burns may result from hot liquids: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants . Third degree burns may involve charred skin, but this is not the sole determinant of third degree burns: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burn_(injury)#Other_classifications -- 10:28, 29 November 2009 (EDT) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.222.49 (talk)

Wikiproject Prisons[edit]

If anyone is interested, I have proposed a new Wikiproject concerning prisons here.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 23:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Human rights violations[edit]

For decades the prison has been considered a major human rights violator. The European Court of Human Rights has delayed extradition of citizens to the United States because of super-max prisons such as Pelican, which are in violation of the European Convention on Human Rights. (See: "Confronting Torture in U.S. Prisons: A Q&A With Activists/Journalists James Ridgeway And Jean Casella")

Petey Parrot (talk) 07:04, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

"Condsidered"-by whom? Remember that these same people think the death penalty is a violation of human rights. And if you do a little research on countercurrents.org, you will see just what sort they are.

This POV has no place in the article; at least put in a reference to current thinking in penology on solitary confinement as a legitimate form of punishment. It could be contrasted to real torture, such as the infamous 'Tucker Telephone' formerly used in the Arkansas State Prison system. 12.152.78.2 (talk) 17:17, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure why 'countercurrents.org' is under discussion here. I did take a look at it, and it seems to address possible civil rights and human rights violations around the world. Leaving aside its breadth, the issue of whether solitary confinement is torture seems to be a legitimate topic of discussion if one is 'the sort' who questions whether penal system strategies should be monitored. Same goes for the death penalty - which many states, countries and individuals believe is a violation of human rights. User:Che Joubert 8:47 July 25 2013

Monitor what you like - including people who use good causes like human rights as a cover for their own agenda. 2.31.36.101 (talk) 17:56, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

SHU[edit]

The section says that people have been in SHU for "as long as 18 years" and then references people in for "decades". This doesn't add up. Anyone have more info? --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:21, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

People have been in it for decades. The 18 years part is incorrect. 99% of the page is incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.110.89.29 (talk) 16:27, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Your anonymous comment is not helpful for changing or correcting the article. — QuicksilverT @ 22:14, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

"Contrary to popular belief, the SHU is not composed of solitary confinement cells." This would be better with a citation or some kind of support. As is it seems incongruous with the rest of the material and dismissive of human rights concerns associated with this facility.

Hugo Pinell[edit]

A political prisoner is someone imprisoned because they have opposed or criticized the government responsible (this is too vague to be helpful, really)

Really unsure why Hugo Pinell is referred to as a 'political' prisoner - he fails to meet the criteria --DenkMit (talk) 13:05, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

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