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- 1 Question
- 2 Google is your friend
- 3 His name is Dismas in English
- 4 Thief or rebel?
- 5 Thief or rebel
- 6 Image copyright problem with Image:Slavcross.png
- 7 Request for references
- 8 Citation Request
- 9 Shared Feast Day
- 10 Mormon's view
- 11 Proposed Page move
- 12 Requested move
- 13 Prayer of Saint Dismas
- 14 Teller
- I think so... AnonMoos 05:58, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Google is your friend
"The only churches dedicated to St. Dismas are..." Burschik 14:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Several prison chapels are dedicated to St Dismas.Saxophobia 01:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- There was a priest decades ago in St. Louis, they called him "The Hoodlum Priest" (I saw a movie about him late one night) who set up a ministry to criminals called "Dismas House". It's a very common theme associated with Dismas. Fan-1967 17:43, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
His name is Dismas in English
There's no comparison. Fan-1967 21:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
"Dimas" is the Spanish equivalent. Searches limited to Spanish for "San Dimas" result in over 356,000 hits.
Thief or rebel?
Can we have a reference please for the assertion that the "thieves" were rebels? Strong's dictionary online gives brigand, robber for leistoi, wih no mention of rebel. The argument for a political motive must come from the mode of execution. Some brigands doubtless had both motives, as with modern terrorist movements like the IRA, UDF and ETA. What was the typical Roman punishment for simple robbery by non-Romans? Execution or sending to the mines/galleys?
The entire article needs references. There are statements throughout, such as the observation that Dismas may have been as violent as Barabbas, that appear to be the editor's opinion. Robert A.West (Talk) 22:29, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Thief or rebel
I think, on reflection, that Saint Dismas was the only Saint Canonised directly by Jesus: "This day though shall be with me in Paladise".
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Request for references
I have put in sources / references where requested. These are meant for the ones I'v placed in, under: Theological Signifance on the article page. No quotations from copyright material. When I get the hang of the numbering process I will be more precise.
The article says that Dismas wasn't named until the 12th Century, then later says the Gospel of Nicodemus calls him Dismas. That was written in the 4th century, according to its Wiki article.Rakovsky (talk) 01:02, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
The references given are from the evidence of the early Saints. If you believe that the Saints are in deep relationship with God, then their evidence is valuable. If you study the writings of Saint Augustine, Saint Athanasius, Venerable Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich, Maria Valtorta, Saint Paul, you will see there is something extra special here, that indicates their relationship with God. The Saint references given all agree on the article page, both the modern and the new, (That is why they seem to run together), and also to avoid quoting from copyright material. Saint Paul's letters (some) speak of what is yet to come! Only part of the evidence of Saint Dismas is History. The article page could not exist on history alone. His name would have to be substituted with "?" The references given (the books) are easily available today. If you need help, leave a note here or on my talk page. The Confessions (St. Augustine) would be a good beginning point. Once I saw this for myself I was "hooked", Patrology, is the usual name of the study. Saint Faustina claimed that "Mercy was/is the greatest attribute of God". Her spiritual director, Fr. Michael, did'nt believe until he found it in the writings of Saint Augustine, himself professor of Patrology.
At the reference to the quotation from Saint Thomas Aquinas in the Article page an entry appears saying (Citation Request / Needed). The reference can be viewed in the books and periodicals in the references cited at the end of the Article page, or in the original writings of Saint Thomas Aquinas. (Sorry I'm not very familiar with the correct method in implying connection to references, at the end of the article page. I'm more familiar with pen and paper.).
The references from the Saints in the Article page are all evidenced in the books and periodicles in the reference section of the article page, hence citation is not needed as it is already there.
I was concerned not to quote from copyright material.
I have attempted to do this, as best I can. I hope it is OK.
His feast day is shared with Our Lady's, Annunciation. So His feast day is seldom referred to as it is so overshadowed, and seldom celebrated.
I'm not Mormon, nor have read anything official about the their views on this. However, according to a few unconnected Mormons that I've talked to have claimed that "paradise" means "spirit world." Their definition of "spirit world" is pretty much the after life. To them the "be with me" section just means that they will both be in the "spirit world," not necessarily with Jesus. Their conclusion was that the thief was going to be in the Mormon's version of purgatory (I don't remember what they called it). To them, it was impossible that Jesus meant heaven, because they hadn't been baptized (a requirement for salvation in the Mormon religion).
If someone wants to follow up on all that uncertainty, go right ahead. Maybe this information is already contained elsewhere in Wikipedia. I haven't looked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 04:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Proposed Page move
This should really move to Thief on the cross per WP:RS, the "Dismas" only describes one churches view and the saint box can be moved down into that church's section. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:28, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Prayer of Saint Dismas
May I have a consensus to place this prayer in the Article page. It is well known. Prayer to Saint Dismas Glorious Saint Dismas, you alone of all the great Penitent Saints were directly canonized by Christ Himself; you were assured of a place in Heaven with Him "this day" because of the sincere confession of your sins to Him in the tribunal of Calvary and your true sorrow for them as you hung beside Him in that open confessional; you who by the direct sword thrust of your love and repentance did open the Heart of Jesus in mercy and forgiveness even before the centurion's spear tore it asunder; you whose face was closer to that of Jesus in His last agony, to offer Him a word of comfort, closer even than that of His Beloved Mother, Mary; you who knew so well how to pray, teach me the words to say to Him to gain pardon and the grace of perseverance; and you who are so close to Him now in Heaven, as you were during His last moments on earth, pray to Him for me that I shall never again desert Him, but that at the close of my life I may hear from Him the words He addressed to you: "This day thou shalt be with Me in Paradise." Amen. MacOfJesus (talk) 16:47, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Source:www.catholic-forum.com Prayer to Saint Dismas......
I looked this up. And apparently using his given name first is preferred. See WP:MOSBIO#Pseudonyms, stage names and common names. Dismas|(talk) 23:12, 19 May 2016 (UTC)