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edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan:
  1. History pre-1978. Establishment of the party. Khalq-Parcham split. Sholayee split.
  2. History post-1992.


The PDPA wasn't a communist party, it was a left-wing nationalist party. From William Blum's Killing Hope:

After the April revolution, the new government under President Noor Mohammed Taraki declared a commitment to Islam within a secular state, and to non-alignment in foreign affairs. It maintained that the coup had not been foreign inspired, that it was not a “Communist takeover”, and that they were not “Communists” but rather nationalists and revolutionaries. (No official or traditional Communist Party had ever existed in Afghanistan.) But because of its radical reform program, its class-struggle and anti-imperialist-type rhetoric, its support of all the usual suspects (Cuba, North Korea, etc.), its signing of a friendship treaty and other cooperative agreements with the Soviet Union, and an increased presence in the country of Soviet civilian and military advisers (though probably less than the US had in Iran at the time), it was labeled “communist” by the world’s media and by its domestic opponents.[1] (talk) 13:36, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

A few edits[edit]

I tried to make some clarification edits throughout the article. I filled out some of the Kalqi-Parchami split and the events surrounding the day of April 28, 1978 of the Saur Revolution, etc. Most of my sources came from Neamatollah Nojumi's work, The Rise of the Taliban in Afghanistan--Mikepope 17:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

The head of the PDPA was Taraki. Taraki, Hafizullah Amin, Babrak Karmal, Khyber were the people who created the Party in the 60´s. When the Saur Revolution was succesed, Taraki were the President. He created in just 8 Month 800 Schools, 5000 Teachers in the Universitys, 500.000 Jobs and humaniterian laws like Marriage protection for woman etc.

Taraki was murdered by Amin because Taraki tried to murder Amin but he failed. Amin was only 100 days president of the State after he was murderd by an Special Kommando by the KGB.

Karmal and Najibullah were the last presidents.

At the moment this is in my view a dreadful article. Democratic Republic of Afghanistan is much better - though too long. --Henrygb 15:18, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't know if it is dreadful, but it needs some editing to the arrangements and sections to conform to the conventions, but I'm still very much a novice at those tasks. I did fix some spelling and grammar because it bugged me and I was confused reading it. Mulp 00:57, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

In 1990 the partyname was changed in Watan Party (= Fatherland Party) and Marxism was officially abolished as party ideology in the period 1987-1990. Some former Watan/PDPDA-officials, like General Shahnawaz Tanay, later joined the Taliban. Nicklaarakkers (Dutch Wikipedia)

The PDPA was divided in two (later 3) wings,

  • a national-communist wing, called Khalq (People, or Masses);
  • a pro-Soviet wing, called Parcham (Banner, or Flag);
  • and a pro-Soviet wing, formed after the Soviet-invasion called Kar (Labour).

KHALQ-members were Pashtuni's/Pashtun-nationalists who wanted a Marxist state, combined with some nationalist elements. Leading figures: Taraki/ Amin/ Tanay. Amin the leader of the 'black Khalqi's', or nationalists, while Taraki was the leader of the 'red Khalqi's', or the communists.

PARCHAM-members were well-educated and sometimes from rich ancestory, like Karmal (son of an General) and Najibullah (son of a Chief of a Pashtun-tribe). Most of them weren't Pasthun's, although the last president, Najibullah was a Pashtun. The Parchami's wanted a broadbased 'National Front'-government, just like in the fourties in Easter-European countries. Some of them were quite loyal to the king and joined the Daoud-administration (1973-78). Leading figures: Karmal/ Khyber/ Najibullah

KAR-members were former 'red Khalqi's' who supported the Soviet-invasion, while the 'black Khalqi's', sometimes joined the Mujaheddin, and later the Taliban. Leading figure: Dastagir Pansheri

Nick Laarakkers (writer of the book Afghanistan 1919-2004)

The enthusiasism at the revolution bit might by true, but other than that this article is full of appallingly blatant POV -- sorry, but a party that was Soviet puppet (especially post-1979) had no chance of popularity in Afghanistan, as evidenced in the war. J. Parker Stone 1 July 2005 04:45 (UTC)

This article once had the progressive accomplishments of the PDPA listed (abolition of peonage, national literacy progam, universal healthcare, unprecedented gains for women). The redaction of these passages is clearly unacceptable and demonstrates a clear political bias on the part of the person who deleted this information.-- Nicky Scarfo

maybe you didn't read my edit summaries and what I said. the PDPA were never especially popular in Afghanistan, especially not in rural areas that were generally religiously conservative -- i would think even Russians would acknowledge this based on how bogged down the Red Army got in the country. most Communist states have enacted the kinds of reforms you're talking about, but if they are restored with John Pilger as the sole source and give the article a clear pro-Soviet bias again the article can and will be reverted. J. Parker Stone 21:48, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
John Pilger is not a reputable source in your learned opinion, then? Well, where are your sources? Furthermore, resistance to a foreign occupier propping up its client regime has nothing to do with the PDPA's progressive accomplishments (whether popular or not)-- those stand independent of the mujahadeen struggle against the PDPA. Or would you edit out the attempts of Radical Republicans to bring about racial equality during Reconstruction simply because they were "unpopular" amongst most Southerners? Faulty logic, Mr. Stone. --Nicky Scarfo 04:13, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Colonel Abdul Qadir Dagarwal

The name of this individual includes what appears to be his rank (Dagarwal) as his last name. Dagarwal is an Afghan rank which translates as "Colonel," thus his name appears to be Colonel Abdul Qadir Colonel - this seems unlikely (despite coverage at the time of the Saur Revolution that so names him). A reference to him at junior rank would clear up the issue. DavisGL (talk) 18:15, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Midnightblueowl (talk · contribs) 22:23, 27 April 2013 (UTC) I have an interest in the history of the far left, and quite a bit of experience with Wikipedia articles on the subject, so I'd be interested in giving this a review. Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:23, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well written:
1a. the prose is clear and concise, it respects copyright laws, and the spelling and grammar are correct. Unfortunately, problems litter the prose throughout this page. Examples of problematic wording include "The Soviet Union set in Moscow...", and "On the 1 January 1965 Taraki with Babrak Karmal established..."
In other instances, the wording is acceptable for GA purposes, but could still be edited for clarity; for instance "The PDPA was known in Afghan society at that time as having strong ties with the Soviet Union..." could be simplified as "The PDPA were known for their strong ties to the Soviet Union..."
The prose could have done with a thorough peer review from a fluent English speaker before being brought to GA.
1b. it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. The lead section, though generally suitable, fails on several points; for instance, the opening sentence announces when the party was formed, but not when it was dissolved. It also focuses to a great deal on the historical situation in Afghanistan at the time in which the party existed, to the detriment of discussing the party's policies and specific ideological affiliation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. Certain sentences, such as "Most of the government's new policies clashed directly with the traditional Afghan understanding of Islam, making religion one of the only forces capable of unifying the tribally and ethnically divided population against the unpopular new government, and ushering in the advent of Islamist participation in Afghan politics", are completely unreferenced.

Most of the references do not follow the guide to layout, being incorrectly formatted and lacking page numbers.
2b. all in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines.
2c. it contains no original research.
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. It fails to discuss the structure of the party, or go into detail regarding such issues as its dissolution.
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias, giving due weight to each. There are a few words, such as "excessive" and "an ill-conceived land reform", which betray a POV bias on behalf of the author.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by images:
6a. images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content.
6b. images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. The images are of some relevence.
7. Overall assessment. Some good work has gone on here, and the editors responsible deserve to be congratulated, but I'm afraid to say that this isn't up to GA quality yet, due to the multiple reasons outlined above. Still, good luck with it! Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:48, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

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