Talk:People's Liberation Army
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- 1 Cyberwarfare unit
- 2 potential WSJ resource, regarding Indian Ocean, Seychelles, Sino-American relations
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- 4 What do the numbers mean?
- 5 At what level will the joint operational command system operate?
- 6 Links
- 7 Article is named wrong
- 8 Numbers don't seem to add up
- 9 Article lacks thesis
- 10 Not the largest military force?
- 11 President or CMC
- 12 External links modified
- 13 Army motto
- 14 No conscription
- 15 Marines not a branch of service
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potential WSJ resource, regarding Indian Ocean, Seychelles, Sino-American relations
- Chinese Military Considers New Indian Ocean Presence by JEREMY PAGE in Beijing and TOM WRIGHT in New Delhi 14.December.2011 ("from where the U.S. operates surveillance drones")
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What do the numbers mean?
It is unclear to me what the terms used in the side box mean. Can anyone clarify?
- How can there be 6 million Deployed Personnel and yet only 2.3 million Active Personal?
- Are the numbers for Available for Service snd Fit for Service a calculation of the number of people who have ever served in the armed forces (i.e. all people who have been conscripted)?
- Why are both the numbers for Available for Service snd Fit for Service not simply the total number of able bodied men and women between the ages of x and x ?
In my opinion the numbers for Available for Service snd Fit for Service should be deleted if they correspond only to a concept of military training and conscription and not to military establishment. Figures like these are not given for other Western countries eg USA.
LookingGlass (talk) 09:08, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
At what level will the joint operational command system operate?
I haven't been able to figure out at which level the new command structure will interact with the CMC. Is it a "joint chiefs" or a system of unified regional commanders? Hcobb (talk) 11:04, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Article is named wrong
The correct full name is "Chinese People's Liberation Army." Even the characters given in the opening line: 中国人民解放军 confirm this, as the first three 中国人 mean "Chinese People." Here are three high quality sources:
China Military Online - About Us
"China Military Online is now the only authoritative media of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) to release military news and comprehensive military-related information on the Internet."
The Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA)
U.S. Army War College, Strategic Studies Institute
People's Daily Online
The Chinese People's Liberation Army
This is my first time here, so I hope a regular editor will at least note the full name in bold in the opening sentence. You don't have to rename the entire article, though that would be most accurate. 5Q5 (talk) 15:22, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Numbers don't seem to add up
Under the heading "PLA ground force" the article states:
"The PLA deploys the world's largest ground force, currently totaling some 1.7 million personnel, or about 70 percent of the PLA's total manpower (3.4 million)."
However, 1.7 million is not 70 percent of 3.4 million... so it is unclear what is being expressed here.
In the paragraph above that one, the article mentions "its current strength of 2.28 million personnel". It's unclear if "personnel" means the same thing as "total manpower" but these numbers (2.28 million and 3.4 million) also seem to disagree.
Article lacks thesis
The Article needs a thesis about the People's Liberation Army. before you develop them, "Global force for peace", "totalitarian army", "a force that lacks that capabilities of Western armies but is developing quickly." your suggestions here: 220.127.116.11 (talk) 07:04, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Not the largest military force?
According to this article's introduction:
"The PLA is the world's largest military force, with a strength of approximately 2,285,000 personnel"
However, according to the article on North Korea's military (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People%27s_Army):
"With 9,495,000 active, reserve, and paramilitary personnel, it is the largest military organization on Earth"
Which surely puts China's military in second place, unless "military force" and "military organization" have different meanings.
- Yes, different meanings. China's 2.2 million personnel are active military, while North Korea's 9.4 million include reserves, paramilitary and militia forces also. Antiochus the Great (talk) 11:03, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
President or CMC
A certain user keeps reverting all references to the president of China to the chairman of the Central Military Commision, which controls the PLA. The issue is that in China the paramount leader holds the title of president, chairman of the CMC, and is general secretary of the communist party. The PLA is considered the de facto national military of China, despite not being an official part of the government. The President of China, as paramount leader, controls the PLA as chairman, but his primary position is the president, and is likely to be referenced as such. Per his common title it should be kept as president to avoid confusion (and that in common practice the PLA acts as an arm of the government). Although for specifically for article titles Wikipedia:COMMONNAME should apply to when President Xi is named in the page. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 02:42, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
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http://www.refworld.org/docid/57c442224.html Army motto of PLA should be "heeds the Party's commands, able to fight and be victorious, and are exemplary in conduct" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 17:44, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
It is not correct that "compulsory military service in China has never been enforced due to large numbers of military and paramilitary personnel". Large numbers of military and paramilitary personnel are only achieved by conscription. During the civil war and subsequent invasion of Korea only conscription gave the CPC sufficient numbers of personnel. Today it still conscripts very large numbers of personnel.Royalcourtier (talk) 02:32, 30 May 2017 (UTC)