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Komi-Permyak Autonomy[edit]

Does anybody know just how much national autonomy have the Komi-Permyaks retained (or lost as it may seem) after the mergence of the oblast and the AO.Kuban kazak 12:37, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, as the article says; some matters are administrated similar to the way they were before. Flag of Austria.svg ナイトスタリオン 08:25, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Permyakia will retain its autonomy within new Perm Krai. Both the oblast and the autonomous district will have a common budget (so Permyakia will no longer rely on federal transfers and will be funded by the Perm Krai administration), but 2006 is still transitional, with independent budgets retained. I had a similar question asked a couple days ago; my response is here, if you are interested.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 14:22, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


Any idea whether the flag will be the one of Perm Oblast, or whether it will be changed to somehow show Permyak symbols? Flag of Austria.svg ナイトスタリオン 08:25, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

According to the Perm Krai's website, the flag, coat of arms, and anthem will probably change (although in 2003 there were talks about both Permyakia and the oblast keeping their own symbols—I am not sure what changed). However, it is still unknown when it is going to happen, and it is definitely not a priority with the sheer number of administrative documents that need to be legislated. I'll keep my eye on this, and if they make any progress (or decide leave the symbols alone), I'll make a post here.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 14:46, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Great! Thanks. Flag of Austria.svg ナイトスタリオン 15:59, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Total population and languages[edit]

I noticed that 2,819,421 is quoted here as the total population for the whole Krai at census day, whereas the official Perm website quotes 2,9 million inhabitants on January 1st 2003 ([1]).

Moygorod gives 3,1 million for the 1989 census (unclear whether that even includes Komi-Permyak) and 2,73 million for January 1st 2007.

Obviously, there must be something wrong with the number the official Perm website quotes for 1.1.2003 - they do not seem to bother about the "real" number the census gave. Either they think the census is underestimating the number of inhabitants, or they think (like me at a given moment) that the number 2,819,421 is without Komi-Permyak.

However, if the Perm website number of inhabitants in 2003 and the Mojgorod number of inhabitants in 2007 are BOTH correct, then the population decrease in four years is big, and one may wonder whether there really is or was a booming economy in Perm Oblast.

Can anyone confirm that 2,819,421 was indeed the census's total number of inhabitants for both areas (which had not yet been merged in 2002)? Then it would be much easier to give the ethnic composition of the new Perm Krai or region. We would know whether (or not, as is more probable) to add the figures for Komi-Permyak to the Oblast figures, and make Komi Permyaks more numerous than Tatars there (again, probably not).

I also noticed that a high number of Interwikis give the official languages for the Russian republics/krais in their info boxes. Only Dutch and Czech give both Russian and Komi as official languages for Perm Krai. Could they be the ones who got it right - will at least some regional laws voted by the parliament of Perm Krai have to be translated in Komi(-Zyrian)? --Paul Pieniezny (talk) 15:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, 2,819,421 is the population of both Perm Oblast and KPAO in 2002. The number is easily verifiable via the official Census website (here). The numbers reported by the official website of Perm Krai are most likely estimates for the year they are reported (the estimates were probably used as they seem to be "more current" in terms of dates). All in all, unless explicitly stated otherwise, the population/area numbers of autonomous okrugs are always included into the population/area numbers of the federal subject in administrative jurisdiction of which they belong.
As for the ethnic composition, that, too, was reported by the Census (the numbers are available for Perm Oblast with KPAO, as well as separately for KPAO).
As for the official languages, Komi was the official language of KPAO and, until further notice, remains the official language on the territory of Koryak Okrug. To my knowledge, no new legislation had been passed to make Komi the official language of Perm Krai.
Hope this helps.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Why "Krai", not "oblast"[edit]

Why is it called krai while it's not located at the periphery of the Federation? Gantuya eng (talk) 06:20, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

It's a historical reference, not to the present RF borders. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
But it was "Permskaya oblast" in the USSR. Gantuya eng (talk) 04:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
The historical reference goes farther back than the Soviet times. What's more, "krai" in Russian means not only "administrative territory" but also "expanse", "vast space", bearing some poetic and patriotic connotations. So the choice of the term was most likely a combination of all of the reasons mentioned here.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 13:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
OK. Gantuya eng (talk) 02:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)