Talk:Permissive society

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The link from Sexual revolution does not show in the "What links here" list. Yes I know it stops at 500, but if you have a look a it you'll see that there's only one other link. This is the reason why I created a new link in the first place. <KF> 21:08, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

"Aspects that often change as a society becomes more permissive:"

Do they? Examples anyone?Grace Note 04:15, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC) I've rewritten the bit about how some view permissiveness. I'd hope that "some" and "others" would turn into people with actual opinions in version 1.0!Grace Note 04:17, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I have a related complaint: I changed "and censorship decreases" to "and censorship of these and other arts decreases". I did this since, although censorship of for example, mass media, can decrease in 'permissive societies', it (mass media censorship) can also increase in other forms. My point is, there are different kinds of censorship, so I changed the sentence to make it more specific. Maybe, a citation is needed for showing that other forms of censorship also decrease. For example, state censorship in the mass media may decrease in such a society, but at least self censorship of mass media outlets definitely increases dramatically.

Not the Norm?[edit]

Whenever the word "Norm" is thrown around, people need to establish, VERY SPECIFICALLY what that means. Is this the norm of a previously nonpremissive society? of all societies? of a society that frowns upon BDS&M? Adultery and "Fetishes" have been around since time immemorial, a hypothetical society that was free of both these supposed "aberrations" would be very abnormal indeed. (talk) 17:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I think I have resolved this. Changed "not the norm" to "previously considered unacceptable or even criminalized". I also dropped bisexuality - I think it has negligible independence from attitudes on the homosexual component. Alsee (talk) 17:49, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Is this opinion or fact?[edit]

"For example, lower divorce rates, decreasing the incidence of sexually transmitted diseases, and controlling crime are all desirable."

That sentence is written as if it were stating hard facts. While decreasing rate of STDs and controlling crime are obvious, I have to question why lowering divorce rates benefits society - from a religious perspective, it might, but not being religious I can't see any possible benefit to reducing the divorce rate. In fact, quite the opposite - forcing partners to stay in wedlock while it makes them terribly unhappy is obviously a bad thing for them and thus bad for the society with which they interact.

I would suggest removing 'divorce rates' from your assertion. Guy.fraser1 (talk) 12:15, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Lower divorce rates could also mean lower marriage rates between ill-suited people. I think that people on both sides can agree that mis-matched people would be better off not marrying in the first place than marrying and divorcing. -- (talk) 20:18, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


This article begins with a definition by non-essentials. It's the dumbest Wikipedia article I've seen in a while. Michael Hardy (talk) 02:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree this article seems kind of weak. Where is the specific term even from? Why does it have its own wikipedia article? I can't tell if it's referring to a specific thing or just a general concept of permissiveness. ~CharityB — Preceding unsigned comment added by CharityBrighton (talkcontribs) 00:34, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

It was a phrase widely used in the 1970s (and perhaps 1960s), e.g. in the UK, referring to the societal changes of the time, and the phrase has 120,000 Google hits, so I think it merits an article. Ben Finn (talk) 10:57, 20 May 2012 (UTC)