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GA Reassessment[edit]

Whoever nominated the article for reassessment seriously needs to learn to look at things before nominating.

1. The GA review is easily located the in the archive of the Peru national football team, at the top of the list. Since certain people apparently are inexperienced at looking at archives, I have now posted the link to the review at this page.

2. The only problems noted at the FA review were: Improve the writing of the article to meet FA standards, check a few sources that do not have access dates on them, and check the verifiability of a few sources (Which was a completely opinionated request, with the exception of the request to identify Mr. Pulgar-Vidal Otalora's credentials, as the GA review had found them to be acceptable).--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 20:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in responding to this request: I was travelling. I've added links to the archive from ArticleHistory. I believe the summary page in Wikipedia space can now be deleted. I've given the article a quick copyedit, but see no reason to open a reassessment at this time. As a general tip for future editing, please remember that this is an encyclopedia and avoid portentous use of tenses ("would become" etc.) to describe the narrative past of the subject. Geometry guy 21:33, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you.--//[*]MarshalN20[*]\\ (talk) 17:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Jaime Pulgar Vidal Otalora Credentials[edit]

I've contacted Mr. Pulgar Vidal Otalora in order to try to get his credentials as a historian and journalist. Hopefully he will provide us with his credentials.--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 20:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Mensage para el señor Pulgar Vidal Otalora: Señor Jaime, para proveer sus credenciales por favor aprete el boton "edit" de esta seccion, y simplemente escriba (o copie y pegue los links que tenga para demostrar su calidad como historiador y periodista). Una vez mas le recuerdo que por favor no ponga nada personal, esto es solamente para verificar su estatus como profesional. Gracias por su colaboracion.--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 20:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)



SUPERIORES: Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos Facultad de Ciencias Sociales Carrera de Historia Grado: Bachiller

Maestría en curso Especialidad Historia de América Latina Pontificia Universidad Católica del Perú Lima

EXPERIENCIA LABORAL INSTITUTO SAN IGNACIO DE LOYOLA: Docente curso Historia del Deporte. 2009 CABLE MÁGICO DEPORTES: Programa Partido Aparte. Reportajes de investigación sobre fútbol. 2008 a la actualidad CABLE MÁGICO DEPORTES: Investigación y redacción de guiones del Programa sobre historia del fútbol “Crónicas de balón” 2004- 2007 UNMSM: Jefe de práctica. Cursos: Historia de América 2. Historia de América 3. 2007 FRECUENCIA LATINA: Programa El Equipo. Jefe de Prensa. 2001 – 2003 ANDINA DE RADIODIFUSIÓN: Programa El Equipo. Jefe de Prensa. 1997 – 2001 PROGRAMA LA CLAVE CON CÉSAR HILDEBRANDT: Comentarista de Noticias Deportivas 1996 GLOBAL TELEVISIÓN:Programa Deportivo Acción. Reportero. Comentarista. Jefe de Prensa.1992 – 1997 REVISTA LA COPA Y LOS MEJORES: Jefe de Redacción. 1993 DIARIO LA TERCERA:Editor de Deportes. 1992 RADIO MIRAFLORES:Programa Hablemos de Deporte. Comentarista. 1991 DIARIO PÁGINA LIBRE: Sub Editor de Deportes.1990 REVISTA TODO FÚTBOL: Reportero. Coordinador periodístico. 1988 - 1989


• “El padrino: los vínculos de Augusto B. Leguía con el mundo del fútbol”. En: Ciencias Sociales. Revista de Estudiantes de Ciencias Sociales; Lima, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Fondo Editorial de la Facultad de Ciencias Sociales, Nº 1, mayo de 2007, pp. 99- 113.

• “La teoría de la dependencia y la historia política”. En: Uku Pacha. Revista de Investigaciones Históricas, Año 6, Nº 11, julio de 2007, pp. 147- 152.

• “A bastonazo limpio: la historia del primer clásico del fútbol peruano”. En: Aldo Panfichi, editor; Ese gol existe. Lima, Fondo Editorial de la Pontificia Universidad Católica del Perú, julio de 2008, pp. 111-134.

• “Discriminación en blanco y negro”. En: Frank Huamaní y María Aguirre, editores; Lima a través de la prensa. Lima, julio de 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Perfect! The above information (in Spanish) has been provided by Mr. Pulgar Vidal Otalora. These are his credentials, and are important to the article as some of his information is used as references.--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 06:14, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Muchas gracias señor Pulgar Vidal Otalora.--06:14, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


Curious as to why the image of the three managers was removed from the article. Everything seems to be in order. AniRaptor2001 18:08, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

It was one of the problems noted in the GA Review. Out of all the non-free images in the article (6 in total), the one with the managers was the most flimsy. It's not really necessary to have non-free images of the managers. However, if there were free images of the managers that could be used, those certainly would be welcomed. I'm planning on nominating the article for FA status in some very close time, so any final fixes to the article are quite welcome.--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 19:17, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Excellent. That clears it up perfectly. I'll do my best to help get this article ship-shape ;) AniRaptor2001 19:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. The more contributors to the article, the better. I don't think there's much to fix as of right now, except maybe better summarizing some parts. The article itself is complete; in fact, if compared to the Scotland national football team article, I think that Peru has a great chance of being named FA class (The first for CONMEBOL).--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 01:52, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Excessive number of non-free images[edit]

User:Fasach Nua posted a maintenance tag of the article possibly containing too many non-free images. He did not make an argument as to why he posted that, but he did provide the rules as to why there might be too many non-free images. Since no argument was provided from his part, I will provide a defensive argument.

1. All of the images are properly referenced (in their respective image pages) and have an appropiate non-free use rational.

2. There are only 6 non-free images. It's not an excessive amount of non-free images, and each convey a particular topic of interest that is necessary for the article.

3. Here is the Peru national football team rational for each of the images:

-The image depicting the 1930s Golden Generation is necessary because it depicts Peru's first "great" team. It is the team that participated in the 1936 Berlin Olympics, won Peru's first Copa America, and participated in the first FIFA world cup. It is also essentially one of Peru's earlier teams, and thus is necessary in order to depict the history of the team. There is no possible way for a free image to appear of this team (probabilities are too minimal). The only way this image will become "free" is when 100 years have passed (as I recall that's one of the rules for free images) in the year 2030.

-The image depicting Juan Seminario scoring a goal against England is the only action picture of the article. Moreover, it is one of the better results of the Peruvian team and is historically important. There is also no possible way for a free image to replace this one as the game itself is rather "forgotten" by many Peruvian fans and English fans alike. The "forgotten" part of it is what makes it that much more important to have it in an encyclopedia such as Wikipedia.

-The image of the 1970s Golden Generation basically has the same criteria as that of the 1930s generation.

-The picture of Teofilo Cubillas, who is still alive, will not be available for free use until he dies. He is widely considered to be the best Peruvian player of all times, received several important international awards, and deserves to have his image in the team's article as he is essentially an icon of the Peru national football team.

-The FIFA Fair Play Trophy award is an important and memorable award that Peru received in the 1970s. It is one of the most important awards given to the national team as FIFA, the maximum authority of international football, awarded it to Peru. There is no free content that can replace this image.

-The memorable games picture, which does hold a reasonable rational for its appearance in the article, does not hold as much strength as the other images. I'll remove this one as it could be replaced with a free image.--[|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] (talk) 20:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

post-FAC comments[edit]

Later than promised, some post-FAC comments on possible improvements.

  • The Peruvian team has an inconsistent history of success. - A team can either have an inconsistent history, or a history of success, but not both.
  • Recently, Peru was the first CONMEBOL team to be knocked out of the 2010 World Cup qualifiers - avoid terms like "recently" which may become out of date.
  • Even though the Peruvian Football Federation had joined CONMEBOL by 1925 - was this in 1925? If so, writing it as "'Even though the Peruvian Football Federation joined CONMEBOL in 1925" would avoid the passive voice.
  • It is worth noting that Argentina and Brazil did not compete in the 1939 Copa America.
  • Putting managerial win percentages to two decimal places is far too precise. Given that most of them managed a number of mathces in single figures, the decimal places are meaningless.

More to follow, give me a poke on my talk page if I forget. Oldelpaso (talk) 09:01, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and implemented the first three improvements. I'm struggling with the best way to mention that the two most powerful teams' non-participation is what enabled Peru to take home what would have otherwise easily gone to them. AniRaptor2001 (talk)
Thanks Oldelpaso. Aniraptor seems to have taken care of your first notes. I'll check the rest of the ones you have just noted.--//[*]MarshalN20[*]\\ (talk) 20:50, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
The article is looking good! What's left to do? AniRaptor2001 (talk) 23:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
It certainly is. I think all of us deserve a big congratulations for the amount of improvement this article has gotten. According to the peer review the article recently received, here's some of the problems:
  1. Find a free image of Teofilo Cubillas. The image currently being used apparently is copyrighted and will be removed.
  2. Find some book sources that talk about the football team. Try using google books (I'll check it myself in a bit).
  3. Fix some wikilinks (too many repetitive ones). For instance, "it would be silly to wikilink silly almost every time you think of something silly." Only one of the wikilinks for the name is needed every now and then (not as repetitive).

AND, the final thing would be another copy-edit. The peer reviewer gave a good one, and I tried to fix a couple of things also. However, there are still things that could be improved. I'm sure this article will reach FA status soon.--$%MarshalN20%$ (talk) 00:38, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Managers (1960-1968)[edit]

Is there anybody who can find who where the managers of Peru during these years? As hard as I've tried to look for some data, nothing comes up.--MarshalN20 | Talk 21:55, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I just remember Marcos Calderon for Qualifying World Cup 1966 / Solo recuerdo haber leido que fue Marcos Calderon, en las eliminatorias para Inglaterra '66. (1965). Acabo de editarlo en la lista de Managers, en la version en ibgles. Alguna vez lei una lista mas exacta, pero no recuerdo donde en internet. veo que sale Jaime de Almeyda como Dt en 1963, me imagino que fue para la Copa America de Bolivia (ese equipo era muy aliancista con Bazan,Pitin,Perico, recordar que el Sr De Almeyda entreno ese equipo). Faltaria ver quien fue el tecnico en las eliminatorias de 1961 y creo que ya no habrian mas Managers. Ojo, en 1967 el tecnico aun era Calderon, ya que lei sobre un partido amistoso de mediados del '67 Peru 0 - Uruguay 1, con Alberto Spencer jugando para Uruguay, por ello prefiero poner en la pagina wiki, Marcos Calderon (1965-67) compartiendo esta funcion con la de entrenador de la U, al estilo Guus Hiddink con PSV y Australia hace unos 3 años. Rrvio —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrvio (talkcontribs) 04:46, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Gracias. Si, de Almeyda aparece en uno de los records de la RSSSF como entrenador de Peru durante el '63. Supongo que en el '68 no hubo entrenador (No me sorprende esas cosas para Peru). Claro, supongo que para las eliminatorias del '61 debe haber algun entrenador. Una lista completa seria fantastica. Muchas gracias!--MarshalN20 | Talk 14:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

En realidad, se que Didí asumio entre Abril a Junio de 1968. Es logico que en intervalo entre Calderon (1967) y Didi no hubiera ningun tecnico. De hecho, en 1967 el Peru no asistio a la Copa America, por ello no hubo motivo para tener un seleccionador. Eso si, tuvieron la vision de iniciar el proceso a MExico 70 casi 2 años antes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrvio (talkcontribs) 00:41, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Te invito a que mires List of managers of the Peru national football team. Añadi hace un rato la informacion que tu diste recientemente. Deja los años 1960-1962 y el 1964 como desconocidos. Es posible que de Almeyda haya entrenado al equipo tambien en el '64, pero no estoy seguro.--MarshalN20 | Talk 02:07, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Muy interesante tu lista List of managers of the Peru national football team. Mas bien, sobre el DT de 1986, lei el sgte. articulo: Pienso, por ello, que la "gestion" de Challe solo abarco el periodo entre el Partido Peru 4 vs Venezuela 1 (16/06/85) y el Peru 0 vs Chile 1 (03/11/85). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrvio (talkcontribs) 20:23, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Current Squad[edit]

I see new additions to the "current squad" section. Are we going to base the current squad listing on the last games played, or are we going to do a full list? I'd preffer a shorter last-squad used list; mainly because it lowers the amount of memory in the article. Any opinions?--MarshalN20 | Talk 18:40, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I think the best thing to do is remove the squad list from the article. It's unreliable and takes way too much space. We should have a separate article for these call-ups.--MarshalN20 | Talk 06:02, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
It is my understanding that the current squad is always the last squad to play a official match, that would mean that the squad that played against Honduras should be the one being display, also a recent call up section could be added showing only players that played with the national team in the last 12 months. Regards --Bocafan76 (talk) 17:58, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Well, I'm not really in the mood to update the squad that played against Honduras. Peru is soon to play another team, I think Panama, and that will probably be the best time to update that section. The problem with the "recent call-up" section is that del Solar called several players to the team, and the list itself would take too much space. This article needs to be chopped up a bit by taking out information that could use its own article.--MarshalN20 | Talk 19:13, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Ok, due to the fact that every other day a different Ip changes the squad in "Players" section, I'll be removing it, since any player from Peru could well be included in it, because it doesn't specify which players should or shouldn't appear in the squad. Once a set of players have been called up, add the current squad subsection. Regards --Bocafan76 (talk) 01:13, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Current Possible Squad?[edit]

It's rather absurd to be working with a "current possible squad" list that people are randomly making up. Here is an article from that has a list of the squad of local players that Markarian is using in preparation for the game against Canada: Feel free to use the link to use that as a base for the "current squad" section.--MarshalN20 | Talk 17:39, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Markarian's Peru XI call-up posted[edit]

Peru XI by

If anybody would like to add these into the article, please go ahead and do it. We should start the "recent call-ups" section based on this first call-up by Markarian.--MarshalN20 | Talk 00:39, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


You should add Claudio Pizarro in the Recent callups -- (talk) 15:36, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

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Copy edit October 2011[edit]

I've condensed and clarified the text as far as I can, and I have a few points to mention that perhaps more subject-oriented editors could think about. They're not major point, but if you're going for F.A status might be pertinent:

  • Some terms are used interchangeably, particularly 'team' and 'squad', 'draw' and 'tie' and 'match' and 'game'.
  • I removed most of the incidents of "la Blanquirroja" in favour of "Peru" or "Peru's squad"; I've left it in the header and first sub-section (Beginnings) for context; perhaps someone can expand upon this a little;
  • There's probably some information cross-over between games and tournaments in the 'History' section and elsewhere; that would need some careful reading that's a little beyond my copy-editing remit;
  • Should we refer to the team as a whole as "it" or "they"? I used "they" out of habit, but the article has mixed usage at the moment. The MOS says we should use plural pronouns "they" and "are" for British English and singular "it" and "is" for US English. I'll change this to US-style, as US spelling is used throughout; feel free to revert (but don't forget to change the others!) if I'm wrong. (later note - I only found two examples of "they", which I've changed as needed).
  • In 'Managers', there seems to be some confusion between managers and coaches. For example, was Jack Greenwell a manager or a coach? Greenwell's article says he was a manager, but that article's section on Peru says he 'guided' the team. In this article, we have: "Peru's squad was coached by English Jack Greenwell..." Also, beneath the table is: "Freddy Ternero was the manager during the 1997 Copa America; Juan Carlos Oblitas was the head coach". If Oblitas was head coach, why is he in the table of managers?

I hope my edits have improved the article. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:10, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Your edits have certainly been an improvement. The matter regarding "manager" and "coach" is confusing because "managers" tend to be head coaches of the national team as well. Some "managers" take the approach of only coaching the senior national team, while others get more involved with the youth squads as well. The issue mainly has to do with the lack of commitment or experience many of these "managers" have had for the national team. The few that were professionally dedicated to their work, Greenwell, Calderon, Pereira, accomplished great things but left as quickly as they came (Greenwell and Pereira for better fields, Calderon into the afterlife). Markarian seems to be following a similar dedicated process and that may end up working out, but considering the trend of the past good managers he won't last long.--MarshalN20 | Talk 20:34, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining, I can now see why that section seems a little confused between coaches and managers. I'll leave it in your hands to edit; you know much more about Pervuian football than me (not difficult!). It's been an interesting article to copy-edit; wishing you well with the FAC nomination. Cheers and happy editing, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:56, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


why not integrate the records into the article about the national team like in other cases?--Severino (talk) 16:51, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

This article uses the Scotland national football team as a model. Regards.--MarshalN20 | Talk 22:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
ok--Severino (talk) 11:29, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Navboxes v Templates[edit]

I honestly do not understand why the templates are being deleted from the article. They help reduce the size of the article while presenting the same information as the navboxes. Please discuss.--MarshalN20 | Talk 15:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

The template is not complex, uses just one time. It can be embedded in this article. Why does it exist? Sawol (talk) 18:36, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
My primary defense for its existence is the article size. The complexity of it is subject to opinion. These templates could (and should) be used in articles such as Football in Peru and Sport in Peru (where the notability of these squads is relevant); other likely usage includes future articles such as Football in South America and the yet-to-be-improved CONMEBOL article.
Best regards.--MarshalN20 | Talk 19:57, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
How many sports are in a counrty? How many countries are in South America? How many templates suchlike are needed? Sawol (talk) 20:04, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
There are a finite number of sports in the planet, and a smaller number of team sports within that spectrum. In South America, the primary sports are football and volleyball (followed by basketball and tennis).
Focusing on just football, and considering 10 members are in CONMEBOL, not many of these templates are necessary. Only 7 CONMEBOL members have ever won the Copa America (and only 6 more than once), and only Brazil has qualified for all World Cup finals (while Bolivia has only participated in two and Venezuela has never qualified).
Thus, I calculate we would need 6 Copa America champion squads templates (including Peru's template) and 9 for the World Cup squads template (again including Peru's template). The total would be 15.
Regards.--MarshalN20 | Talk 20:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Is it 15 templates per competitions, and countries? Really? The number of templates for Peru is 6 as {{Peru squad 1930 FIFA World Cup}}, {{Peru squad 1970 FIFA World Cup}}, {{Peru squad 1978 FIFA World Cup}}, {{Peru squad 1982 FIFA World Cup}}, {{Peru squad 1939 South American Championship}}, {{Peru squad 1975 Copa América}}. Please re-get. And now, why is required every player's name in the article [Football in South America]? Standings, competitions, and countries are sufficient. Sawol (talk) 06:17, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
The 15 templates would be solely for international football competitions. The other sports are not of my concern.
The 6 templates you mention are sub-templates of 2 out of the 15 ones I calculated. Those 6 templates are a standard; there is no need to discuss them.
"Re-get" is not a word, and I don't understand the context either.
The name of every player is not required in a Football in South America article; only the notable ones would be in it.
What I'd like to see is policy that justifies your request to delete the templates. Please provide me with it.
Thanks.--MarshalN20 | Talk 14:05, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Template:Peru Copa América Champion Squads can be embedded in this article like Template:Peru football squad 1936 Summer Olympics or Peru national football team#Olympic record. It is an aberration to generate bunches of templates composed of sub-templates. You said that Template:Peru Copa América Champion Squads might be used twice or thrice. But I don't think so. It is used only once in this article. If it is used in Football in South America, then a player Eusebio Acasuzo will be listed. It is notable that Peru nat'l team won Copa América at Football in South America, not that a player joined Peru nat'l team. Sawol (talk) 09:21, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Sawol, are we discussing two templates or more? The 1936 Summer Olympics template is used in two articles (including this one). The merit of players is also outside the discussion, although I have to completely disagree with the assertion that individual players are not notable. Please explain how having the current two templates with sub-templates is wrong or harmful? Calling it an "aberration" does not do much to help me understand why it is wrong. Regards.--MarshalN20 | Talk 14:51, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

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No one make the third template like Template:Peru FIFA World Cup Squads. So Template:Peru FIFA World Cup Squads is redundant and will become wrong or harmful. You should not think that Peru national football team is in the possession of you. Explain that Template:Peru FIFA World Cup Squads is not redundant. Regards. Sawol (talk) 08:33, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

None of the articles you list have been improved to the level that Peru national football team has been improved. It will be months, if not years, before they become FA candidates. The only point of comparison is the Scotland national football team article, but (based on the FA review) that article is somewhat outdated with the current FOOTY MoS guidelines.
I am still expecting you to please show me WP policy that agrees with your position.
All I keep receiving from you are exaggerated personal opinions and (I assume inadvertent) insults.
I will raise an RfC to hear outside views on the subject. Regards.--MarshalN20 | Talk 13:58, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I opened a 3O case to get input from an additional user. I will mention in advance that I will abide with whatever consensus is reached. Cordially.--MarshalN20 | Talk 14:21, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

TOC issue?[edit]

Is it only me or is the TOC (table of contents) stretched throughout the whole page width? Parutakupiu (talk) 23:01, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind. Cache problem, now resolved. Parutakupiu (talk) 23:09, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Peru Brazil 1997 Copa America match[edit]

Per the official FIFA website (see [1]), the 1997 Copa America match between Brazil and Peru took place in Santa Cruz, Bolivia. Regards.--MarshalN20 | Talk 00:09, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


Why are we in American English here? This revision seems to be in UK English. When and why was it changed? --John (talk) 21:01, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

WP:RETAIN says it shouldn't have been changed. --John (talk) 23:59, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Very few people other than me ever reply in this page.
As I wrote in the FAC review page, WP:RETAIN also clearly states the following:
When no English variety has been established and discussion cannot resolve the issue, the variety used in the first non-stub revision is considered the default. If no English variety was used consistently, the tie is broken by the first post-stub contributor to introduce text written in a particular English variety. The variety established for use in a given article can be documented by placing the appropriate Varieties of English template on its talk page.
The 2004 version you link to is clearly little more than a stub, with no citations, and only two identifiable UK English terms ("Colours" and "neighbours").
Hence, your assertion that this article was changed to American English is without foundation.
However, if you would like to change the language, surely no one will oppose it.
Best regards.--MarshalN20 | Talk 00:38, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
I have mentioned on the FAC page that perhaps using UK English would be a nice way to subtly give a nod to the British emigrants who founded Peruvian football. Cliftonian (talk) 17:21, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
The article is now in UK English. I hope this resolves the issue. Cliftonian (talk) 19:30, 11 February 2014 (UTC)


Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Peru national football team needs attention, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:02, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Mixed date formats?[edit]

I find both dmy and mdy date formats in the article. It should be fixed for an FA article.

HandsomeFella (talk) 15:19, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Fixed it. HandsomeFella (talk) 15:29, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Question .[edit]

I was looking at Peru national football team and I noticed there is another article just for Most capped and top goalscorers which usually in other articles included at the original article not separated like this. So should we move it to the Peru national football team's article ?also another article for the result since 2005 only.. any suggestions about this one also? thanks Adnan (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Most sports articles of this type have a separate article for team records (you can see the entire category here: [2]). This information is already included in the article for the top 3 scorers and appearances (in the records & statistics section); the tables were seen as unnecessary additions. The results article is incomplete and needs further work. Regards.--MarshalN20 Talk 02:46, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
@MarshalN20: ok no problem thank you :) Adnan (talk) 00:01, 28 June 2015 (UTC)