Talk:Peter O'Toole

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Temporary link vs permalink[edit]

About this edit: the link http://awardsdatabase.oscars.org/ampas_awards/DisplayMain.jsp?curTime=1443317158396 cannot be used, because the "1443317158396" value at the "curTime" (current time) parameter expires. In other words: "curTime" is a permanent parameter with a temporary value attributed to it, hence the temporary value cannot be used as a permalink (a permanent link). Please access the link above and you'll notice that it has already expired.

This is the reason why I replaced http://awardsdatabase.oscars.org/ampas_awards/DisplayMain.jsp?curTime=1443317158396 by http://awardsdatabase.oscars.org/ampas_awards/BasicSearch?action=searchLink&displayType=1&BSCategoryExact=1651&BSFromYear=75: this second link doesn't expire, because it's a permalink. In other words: every time you access it, it will set a new (valid and active, though temporary) value for the "curTime" parameter. Try accessing it and you'll see that it always works.Sampayu 01:07, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Nationality[edit]

There are several questions raised on this point about Peter Seamus O Toole.

People cannot insist on imposing a nondescript nationality on O Toole as described as "British Irish" on the Wiki landing page. There is no such nationality. A person can only have one nationality on their death. That is the time when that matter is finalised.

1 Its appear that an Irish Birth Certificate exists registering O Toole's birth in Ireland prior to that of a British Birth Certificate registering the same birth in Britain. Therefore even under British law O Toole was of Irish nationality at birth. As a registered document the FIRST IN TIME PREVAILS. This serves as his nationality up to the time of his age of legal majority, being 21 years of age at the time. If he had been born in Ireland and the birth registered in Britain for the first time then his nationality at birth was British because a registered document trumps any event that is unregistered. But it appears not to be the case which makes him Irish at that time. 2 A person as an adult can choose their own nationality. It is clear that O Toole during all of his adult life professed himself to be Irish. That is a matter of record. He held a residence in Ireland since 1963, held an Irish passport, maintained Irish friends and expressed a desire to be buried in Ireland. By virtue of his birth, his words and actions in his lifetime O Toole was more Irish than the Hill of Tara.

It now behoves the Author of the article to correct the text. He has already received the corrective text I believe.

Patsyboy


@Patsyboy:

a) Please sign your messages with four tildes, ~~~~, first of all.
b) "British-Irish" is perfectly acceptable as are any number of combined or hyphenated nationalities that appear on Wikipedia. As a matter of fact, his mother was Scottish, so she could also be fairly described as "Scottish-Irish" or "Irish and Scottish", or "British of Irish and Scottish descent". There is NO indication O'Toole renounced his British nationality/citizenship. No one is denying he had a strong Irish connexion. But he was born in England, did his military service in England, lived most of his life in England, and made his career there. Three Irishmen (Terry Wogan↑, Ciarán Devane, and Stephen Rahilly) have held or hold substantive British knighthoods and are described as "Irish-British", btw.
c) "Its appear [sic] that an Irish Birth Certificate exists registering O Toole's birth in Ireland prior to that of a British Birth Certificate registering the same birth in Britain. Therefore even under British law O Toole was of Irish nationality at birth." -- uh, any evidence of any of that? And people born in the 26 counties were still British as Ireland had not yet become a republic, as far as I know. Look, I agree that if someone by happenstance is born in one country but raised in another, he/she has every right to disregard the technical birthplace. But not when you spend almost your whole life in the technical birthplace (Leeds, in this case, unless most of us on this thread are wrong) and never renounce that nationality. Can I see a copy of the Irish birth certificate referenced by some editors on this thread? How come it hasn't been posted online yet? I don't claim I can determine its authenticity but why not show it if it's legit?
d) "A person can only have one nationality on their death." -- utterly untrue -- what lawyer told you that? Demand your money back.
e) Peter Seamus O'Toole's middle initial on his true birth certificate is "J" (for "Joseph", perhaps?)
f) Yes, we all know about people born and raised in Britain, who decide, after decades of taking advantage of the free education, jobs, etc. that they want to be Irish (scummy Martin McDonagh and his brother, who have earned plenty of money in and from Blighty, come to mind, foremost, although there are, presumably, many thousands), and those fifth columnist parasites are a reality, which no one denies. I would like not to lump O'Toole amongst them, nor would he deserve such a posthumous insult.
g) "O'Toole’s father was Irish and his mother was Scottish. Although he regarded himself as Irish, he was brought up in Leeds in England and may even have been born there. He wasn’t sure himself because he had two birth certificates; one saying he was born in Leeds on 2 August 1932, and the other saying he was born in June in Connemara in Ireland" (per [1]). OK, that's "two birth certificates", not "one birth certificate and one registration of birth".
h) "He held a residence in Ireland since 1963, held an Irish passport, maintained Irish friends and expressed a desire to be buried in Ireland. By virtue of his birth, his words and actions in his lifetime O Toole was more Irish than the Hill of Tara." -- cut the blarney. I don't know what "held a residence in Ireland since 1963" means given that he spent most of his life, including his last years, in England and died there, not that that is entirely dispositive, but neither is an phony Irish birth certificate which has not even been posted to this talk page or to the article by those who say it exists and is definitive.which raises rather disturbing concerns about the integrity of, at a minimum, Irish local government. Dame Angela Lansbury's mother was from Belfast and she has had a residence in Ireland for many decades, so? Actors like Dana Wynter, Jean Stapleton, Robert Shaw, Marianne Faithfull and Sirs John Hurt and Tyrone Guthrie also live(d) and, in some cases, died there, so?? Tony Blair's mother was born in Ireland, does that make him Irish? Cherie Blair, CBE, a scouser, is more Irish than all the above. Quis separabit? 03:37, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Birth place[edit]

I am starting this discussion in hopes we can come to a consensus about O'Toole's birth place. The infobox currently has "Disputed: either [[Connemara]], [[County Galway, Ireland]] or <br>[[Leeds]], Yorkshire, England" listed. I am going to request full protection while this is discussed. Mlpearc (open channel) 16:10, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Closing discussion from block-evading HarveyCarter.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
The birth records show he was born in England. There's no record of a Peter O'Toole being born in Ireland in 1932. (31.50.131.13 (talk) 22:13, 11 June 2016 (UTC))
Citation needed for that... ;-) BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 22:13, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
If we can come to some kind of sourced/referenced consensus, I think this issue needs a "FAQ" posted up there in the Talk page header... Shearonink (talk) 23:56, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
His birthplace has been corrected on the imdb. It's time it was corrected here as well. (165.120.240.110 (talk) 16:13, 7 August 2016 (UTC))
His birthplace was "corrected" on a site that takes user contributions? No matter. IMDB isn't a RS. Enclyclopaedia Britannica is. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 16:19, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
The birth records show he was born in Leeds. (165.120.240.110 (talk) 17:30, 7 August 2016 (UTC))
Do they? {{citation needed}}, as XKCD might say. Reliable sources state he was born in Galway. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 22:55, 7 August 2016 (UTC)