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- 1 Front loading systems
- 2 Gramophone
- 3 Resurging market?
- 4 Superior Sound Quality?
- 5 Steel Needles
- 6 Phonograph's disruption of live music/sheet music business
- 7 unknown comment
- 8 Gramophone Record vs Phonograph Cylinder
- 9 Édouard-Léon's voice
- 10 VolksWagen Van
- 11 Device shown in October or November? Citations needed.
- 12 Photograph source disagreement?
- 13 Vinyl 78s
- 14 Who deleted record player
- 15 Choice of words
- 16 Lenco - wet play
- 17 incomplete
- 18 Historically inaccurate changes made to promote Tomorrowland movie
- 19 Inclusion of Vertical players?
- 20 "Murder Weapon" section is unsourced, false
Front loading systems
Does anyone have a picture of one of these extraordinary devices? --Mmartins 5 July 2005 18:26 (UTC)
Gramophone is a musical grouped formed in California's Bay Area.
Daniel Rosado- Guitar, Stephen Harkins- Vocals,Guitar, Marcelo Brasil- Drums, Alex Ball- Bass [Image:http://myspace-189.vo.llnwd.net/00288/98/11/288781189_l.jpg]
They are well known in Nevada.
I reverted the edit by 22.214.171.124 because it seemed like it was just hype for vinyl, in addition to having a number of typos. If you feel that this information is actually true, please correct the typos and post a reference here on the talk page.
Superior Sound Quality?
"While there are many audiophiles who still prefer vinyl records over digital music sources (primarily compact disc) for superior sound quality..."
I'm offended! I have a Jelly Roll Morton 78 that I like to play on my Victor Victrola 4-3, and I use the steel needles only once. The records actually don't wear out quickly-quite the contrary. Don't be afraid of using a steel needle with a wind-up record player-it won't hurt it.
Phonograph's disruption of live music/sheet music business
I would really like to see someone go into depth on this topic if they are familiar with it. I think it has historical value for the changes taking place today. Otherwise I am off to the library this weekend to research. NickD 19:44 15 June 2007(UTC)
What's with this "1 gram of stylus force" statement? A gram is a unit of mass, not force! Well, that's how people refer to the force with which a needle bears into a groove. Perhaps it's scientifically questionable, but it's the correct phrase for the article. --126.96.36.199 (talk) 18:31, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Gramophone Record vs Phonograph Cylinder
This article refers to gramophone records and phonograph cylinders as one concept. Gramophone records are flat discs whereas phonograph cylinders are disparate. The entry for Phonograph makes phonograph and gramophone synonymous where "gramophone record" remains a separate entry from "phonograph cylinder"s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 09:46, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- Disc players were known as phonographs in America long after the cylinder disappeared. The word 'gramophone' was a registered trademark of His Master's Voice and the word passed into common usage in the United Kingdom for disc players. It was far less common in America even though the Victrola company was able to use both the registered trade mark as well as the Nipper dog logo. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 18:48, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
The article contains 3 recordings of Au Claire de la Luna with 2 of them pitch adjusted to reflect the pitch of Édouard-Léon's voice. Unless there is a another recording of his voice that is of a precisely known recording speed (highly unlikely), this would be impossible to achieve. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:27, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
- Based no the known male vocal range you could at least get it in the right octave. Possibly even in the right key. --Kvng (talk) 17:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- I removed the recording because it was too much for a WP:SUMMARY. I wasn't sure whether to replace the recording already present on Phonautograph so I instead landed it on the talk page for discussion. --Kvng (talk) 17:55, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I have deleted the unsourced illustration of the VolksVagen van sitting on a record. Without any further description of what it is and what it does, the illustration adds nothing to the article. It could just be a photo of any toy van placed on a record. If you wish to reinstate it, please at least add some description as to where it fits into the phonograph story (with appropriate citations of course). 18.104.22.168 (talk) 08:06, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
- It was a Volkswagen van that held a phonograph cartridge, a phonograph preamp, and a speaker. In other words, it was a complete phonograph. A novelty item that never became popular, its applicability to this article is very small. Binksternet (talk) 12:13, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Device shown in October or November? Citations needed.
In the intro, it says that Edison showed the phonograph in October. Later, it says November.
As there were disputes (and lawsuits) related to the invention of the telephone and/or microphones around about that time, it seems important that the exact timing of related inventions be stated and cited. (There are SEVERAL articles here about the telephone and its timeline. And they don't all entirely agree.)
The article on Microphones didn't seem to help, as it has didn't have a history section or timeline (that I saw); and many of the developments mentioned don't have dates.
Different articles across Wikipedia state that different people invented the microphone.
They say, in short that:
In 1876, several people were working on a microphone concept -- some say Emile Berliner invented it, some may say Elisha Gray, or Alexander Graham Bell, though some mysterious voice-related devices were apparently shown in the 1840s and 1850s. (Documentation?) One also says that In 1876, the first carbon microphone was tested by Thomas Edison.
Not being a historical expert on these matters, and not having citations handy, and not having hours to research this, I therefore added  in the intro here.
For this device, which was it, November or October? :)
- In fact there were lawsuits over the phonograph as well. It is alleged (so it won't go in the article) that Edison spent more on litigation over the phonograph than he ever made out of it - and most of the lawsuits were against Edison alleging that most of his phonograph features were unpatentable as they were developed by others. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 18:37, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Photograph source disagreement?
On this page, the photograph of Edison with his second phonograph is attributed to Matthew Brady; clicking the link shows the same photograph attributed to Levin C. Handy, an attribution supported by its link to The Library of Congress. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 15:53, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
They do exist: I've got a vinyl 78. It's "Putting [sic] On the Style" c/w "Gamblin' Man" by Lonnie Donegan and his Skiffle Group, recorded 9 May 1957, on Pye Nixa N.15093. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:03, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
- I have several vinyl 78s in my collection. They can't, of course, be played on any of my vintage wind up gramophones because the steel needle and the heavy sound box would ruin them. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 19:07, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Who deleted record player
I don' know about you, but I called it a "record player" or a "turntable". It a record that you put on you record player or a turntable, so that it plays sound. No one called it phonogragh any more. I'm just saying make a differet article, OK. hul3124 comment added by 188.8.131.52
- No need for a new article, record player works. The problem with turntable is that it has other meanings. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:07, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Choice of words
"While other inventors had produced devices that could record sounds, Edison's phonograph was the first to be able to reproduce the recorded sound." - so how did people know if the sound was recorded unless it played back. Obviously preceding inventions could also reproduce sound, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 05:52, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
- Previous machines, although they recorded sound, were never intended to play that sound back. The machines were invariably constructed in order to investigate the properties and nature of sound. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 18:06, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Lenco - wet play
Vinyls have been played liquid-greased, too. Trademark Lenco sold slim cylindric plastics bottles, containing about 150 ml clear liquid (I think iso-propanol, water, antistatics) brushed on in a thin layer by a second lever, before & during play on the groove and drying soon. Starting about 1975 or 1980 --Helium4 (talk) 12:44, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
a couple of us were looking for information on how the sound was reproduced. This article is the perfect place for such info but way too much time is spent on the recording mechanism and not enough on the replay mechanism. We're still in the dark. Pun intended. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 18:32, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
- Perhaps the current rev of the opening paragraph now makes that a bit clearer right off the bat, at the cost of being considerably longer. But the reader still has to be willing to click on a link or two or three if the nature of sound is not already well-understood, or an audio waveform is not easily visualized, etc. AVarchaeologist (talk) 08:32, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Historically inaccurate changes made to promote Tomorrowland movie
Removed reference to "Plus Ultra" and other changes made that referred to fictional elements of the upcoming Tomorrowland movie from Disney Pictures. See link for details: http://www.tomorrowlandtimes.com/2014/09/tomorrowlands-secret-plus-ultra-society.html
Inclusion of Vertical players?
Is it worthwhile added a reference / image of the Sharp (I do not know if other manufacturers made similar devices) Vertical, linear record players to the Linear tracking section - such as the one built into the VZ-2500 Ghetto-blaster from the early 1980s? This particular model is a little iconic as a portable player (though it does automatically stop playing and reset the tone-arms if lifted from the surface if it is playing a record!) capable of playing both sides of a 7/10/12 inch 33⅓/45 r.p.m. vinyl record. SlySven (talk) 00:23, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
"Murder Weapon" section is unsourced, false
The original link is dead. The article can be retrieved at the writer's personal site in the form of a Word doc.
I read this article, and found this is the extent of Frank Palka's supposed phonograph murder (note there are no phonographs here):
THE EXAMPLE OF FRANK PALKO Frank Palko was a resident of the state of Connecticut. Late one evening in 1935, he broke into a music store, stole a radio and fled on foot (in those Great Depression days, a getaway car was a luxury few criminals could afford--O Tempora, O Mores). The police were summoned and they contacted Palko a few blocks away. When they approached him, Palko shot and killed one of the officers and escaped. He was captured and arrested a month or so later.
The idea that Palka clobbered someone to death with a phonograph clearly is untrue and not related to this Wikipedia page. Therefore: I'm deleting it. If someone wants to add it back, maybe they could find evidence for such absurd claims. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 04:09, 17 August 2016 (UTC)