Talk:Phrygian cap

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I think a section should discuss the cultural significance of this hat. namely that the smurfs wear 'em. 07:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Smurfs wear this hat too.

This hat is strikingly similar to Parthian, Persian, and Scythian hats of the classical period. Anyone have a source discussing their relationship?(Kaveh94 (talk) 21:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC))


Oh my. If the Smurfs get recognition, then a band of Disney midgets called "The Seven Dwarfs" from Snow White's story should get included too. Um, all theirs are red too. User: Bwildasi Mon Jan 19 02:28:55 UTC 2009 —Preceding undated comment was added at 02:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC).

Does anyone have a picture of a live person wearing this cap? --V. Joe 07:26, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

According to the 16th century philosopher Jean Bodin, the cap was 'the auntient marke of a slaue newly enfranchised, to couer his shauen head vntill his haire were growne' (Six Bookes of a Commone-weale, English translation of 1606, p33). Should this be included? - Brodie 14/06/07

Nonsensical statement[edit]

From Section 1: "liberty and barbarism (in the classical sense of non-Greekness, rather than a reference to any lack of civilization)"

Not quite sure what this is supposed to mean. The classical Greeks (i.e. Athenians) did not consider barbaroi to be simply non-Greek but civilized. In fact, the "classical sense" has everything to do with the fact that the Athenians considered non-Athenians to be uncivilized. Additionally, the "lack of civilization" is unclear, as I'm not sure whether the author means civilization, in the sense of a group of people forming a society, or "civilized" culture.

The connection of the Phrygian cap to barbarians is certainly correct, but to say that there is a classical sense of the word which does include the some sort of value judgement is simply false.

Since I've never edited anything before, I thought I would add a comment rather than to make the actual edit, to ensure consensus.

Hursta (talk) 22:57, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Legend of Zelda[edit]

Does Link from The Legend of Zelda video game series wear a phrygian? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Va. flag[edit]

I removed the reference to the flag of Virginia; the standing figure is wearing a helmet, not a cap.

Virginia-American (talk) 03:23, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

... Along the same lines I've removed the reference to Bonne Homme (from the Quebec_City_Winter_Carnival), he wears a toque. Strawmd (talk) 15:38, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Strasbourg cathedral[edit]

The story of the bonnet rouge hauled to the top of the spire is so familiar that it appears in a New York Times travel piece by wine writer Anthony Peregrine. The statement is likely to be challenged by some passer-by, but a reference would be pretentious and jejune, no?--Wetman 20:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

The story of the bonnet rouge is so familiar that the first sentence of this article used to hoist the notion that "The Phrygian cap is a soft, red, conical cap ... worn in antiquity ...". There is no compelling reason to suppose that the cap was already red in antiquity, so I furled that flag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Phrygian cap vs Pileus[edit]

Phrygian cap indicates that the two are different things but the articles on Pileus indicates they are two names for the same thing. We should be consistent. -- Beardo (talk) 04:23, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

American iconography--several additional images[edit]

Several relevant images of a liberty cap in American iconography, which (since they're pre-1900) might be public domain (but ask), are found in a historian's blog post. 11:11, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Images in "In antiquity" section should be shifted, resized, or removed[edit]

I'm not good with these kind of problems, but depending on the screen size the "Three wise men" mosaic (?) gets pushed down so far it looks like it's in the section on modern artistic usage, even though its caption clearly indicates that it is not meant to signify freedom from oppression. Hijiri 88 (やや) 08:24, 7 January 2016 (UTC)