Talk:Piet Pieterszoon Hein

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"In a subsequent trip, he captured several Portuguese ships with a large cargo of sugar. Piracy was condoned by the WIC, but this is, in fact, what made Hein most famous."

These two sentences don't make sense to me. It would make more sense if it said, "Piracy was not condoned by the WIC, but this is, in fact, what made Hein most famous." Was a negative accidentally left out? Or should it be, "Piracy was condoned by the WIC, and this, in fact, what made Hein most famous."

Also, who or what were the "Dunkirk pirates"?


Heyn wasn't a pirate really, unless one would accept the Habsburg legal fiction the Republic was still simply a bunch of rebels. And the Dunkirker Raiders, the largest European raiding fleet of the 17th century, weren't pirates either. :o)--MWAK 09:53, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

== Who painted this portrait of Piet Heyn?

Who has painted this portret of Piet Heyn?[edit]

Who has painted this portret of Piet Heyn?

I give up. Who?--MWAK 15:44, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
The painting is a copy from 1629 of an earlier painting from 1625 made by Jan Daemen Cool, now lost. The copy is present at the Rijksmuseum--MWAK 13:16, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

The Dunkirk raiders were not pirates[edit]

In fact some of the best Spanish admirals and seamen sailed in that fleet by royal appointment. How would a bunch of undisciplined pirates be so succesful and difficult to eliminate then? Because they were truly men-of-war!. In the Battle of the Downs- a complete disaster for the Spanish Army-the Dunkirk Fleet were amongst the best in the fight(they fought at the vanguard in all the different combats of that battle) and most of their ships surveived and reached safe ports at Dunkirk and Mardick due to the seamanship of their officials and crews. General Miguel de la Horna (Dunkirk´s admiral in chief) was on board of Admiral Oquendo´s flagship Santiago by king´s Felipe IV orders as pilot and naval adviser and was because of this that the Spanish flagship could escape Tromp´s massive attack.

If you think they were pirates so they were Drake, Heyn, Ducasse and most of the sailors fighting in the complicated XVI-XVII-XVIII centuries.

Even the Barbary pirates were seen as legal privateers by their people too.

28 Febrary 2006 (Ru ru)

Indeed, the royal Dunkirk flotilla was probably the elite Habsburg sea force in the early 17th century. For the Dutch the Dunkirkers still are a legendary enemy. The English strangely seem to be largely unaware of their existence; perhaps because they want to forget so many English port officials were bribed to allow illegal selling of captured Dutch goods ;o). The Dutch navy treated the Dunkirkers as pirates however: Dunkirker prisoners had to "wash their feet", i.e. they were thrown overboard — it depended on the mood and general disposition of the Dutch captain how far from the coast that would happen! The menace was only extinguished when the Dutch paid Louis XIII to reduce first Fort Mardick and then the city itself in 1646.--MWAK 14:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Leyden is called Leiden. The word Leyden hardly is hardly used in English also as the Dutch spelling Leiden is mostly used. Anyone care to change it?

Well, Leyden is the English name of the city, so why not use it?--MWAK 17:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)