Talk:Pilatus PC-12

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Military users[edit]

Add South Africa.

This type is currently in service with 41 Squadron Based at Waterkloof AFB. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Air_Force#Current_order_of_battle - Roger 07:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

U-28A merger[edit]

I have merged the U-28A page into this one, as I feel that there is little that can be added to the article as it was, and most of the info there was already duplicated here. The U-28 page stated that it was created from a USAF fact sheet, but had no link or publication data for such a source. - BillCJ 07:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Dealership Links[edit]

The Kelner Pilatus Link is simply a dealership. When I tried to place an external link to another dealership, the link was considered spam. It does not contribute to the article, so isn't Kelner Pilatus also spam? Izath (talk) 15:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

The original link was a dead link, I corrected that. Don't go about making claims of spamming. Bzuk (talk) 15:37, 9 July 2008 (UTC).
Bzuk, you corrected a dead link, but did you consider whether the link deserves to be there at all? What makes that particular dealer more deserving of being listed than any/all others? Unless there is something really notable about it, it should not be listed. In any case the rules require that in articles about manufactured objects, the manufacturer's website must always be first in the list. Roger (talk) 17:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Before jumping all over on a non-issue, note that the edit was a correction, subsequently deleted. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC).

Flags[edit]

The use of flags was recently reviewed at WP:AVIATION and I believe the concern was that if they are used purely for decorative purposes, then a case has to be made for their retention. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 18:28, 23 March 2009 (UTC).

Civilian users[edit]

The maximum landing weight is shown as 4,700 KG/10,450 lbs. This value is incorrect for the PC12, it should be 4,500 KG/9,921 lbs. Add RFDS, they have several in NT, SA and QLd — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.211.47.220 (talk) 07:06, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Picture of the U-28 / my today's edit[edit]

sorry MilbornOne, I don't agree with your argument. There are important differences between U-28 and the serial version of the PC-12. These differences (e.g. antennas, sensors, windows) are clearly shown by the featured picture. So I put the picture back in the article. Any other opinions? --Sputniktilt (talk) 15:01, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

I dont have a problem with having a U-28 image but that one was really crap and didnt show anything other than a small pc-12 in an image mainly of a dirt strip. If you can find a better image of a U-28 that actually shows the differences clearly then please add it. MilborneOne (talk) 19:03, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
I concur that the image of the aircraft is too small to be of much use here. - BilCat (talk) 19:49, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

FYI on the Labcorp crash[edit]

I had added it because, right after the crash, there were rumors that there were laboratory specimens onboard, which arguably would have made the crash notable. As it turned out, the only cargo onboard was inter-office mail. Dave Cornutt (talk) 18:44, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Unlikely to be notable even if true. MilborneOne (talk) 18:58, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

PC12 maximum landing weight[edit]

The maximum landing weight for the PC12 is listed as 4,700 KG or 10,450 lbs. This value is incorrect, it should read: 4,500 KG or 9,921 lbs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.185.135.7 (talk) 21:17, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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Notability of the included accidents[edit]

I'm not at all sure that either of the accidents discussed actually qualify for inclusion per WP:AIRCRASH. General aviation accidents need to have a really high level of notability to be covered in aircraft type articles - neither of the included accidents have resulted in the airworthiness of the type being questioned, no already notable person was killed, no air traffic regulations were amended as a consequence, etc. These were just "routine" accidents, with no lasting consequences for the aircraft type, the manufacturer, operational procedures or regulations. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:03, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

WP:AIRCRASH is pretty clear on this: accidents in light aircraft type articles need to either involve the death of a wiki-notable person (have their own bio article) or result in some sort of design changes/ Airworthiness Directive or similar outcome. The reason is that most well-produced light aircraft have hundreds of accidents that are otherwise non-notable. Ford Mustang doesn't list all the car accidents that the type has had, as there would be millions of them. Neither of the two accidents in this article meet the criteria and should be removed. - Ahunt (talk) 13:55, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
I concur - there are a few accidents involving GA aircraft that are notable, such as the 1974 Norfolk mid-air collision involving Piper PA-25 G-ASVX, and Court Line Flight 95, involving Piper PA-23 G-AYDE amongst others. Mjroots (talk) 20:27, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Video external link[edit]

The 20 minute video shot from what appears to be a camera on the cockpit coaming does not add significantly to readers understanding of the article subject - i.e. the Pilatus PC-12 - it could be shot from any aircraft really, and appears to breach point 1 of WP:ELNO:

  1. Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a featured article.

Why is this external link needed and what does it add to the article?Nigel Ish (talk) 16:26, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

It's also an apparent COI as the user is adding a link to a video he took or uploaded himself. The user has a long history of promoting his own work on WP. - BilCat (talk) 16:34, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Too long and quite pointless. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:49, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
I watched the video which is why I removed it. I agree it is a long and pointless home movie. It is not encyclopedic content and adds nothing to the article. WP:ELNO item 11 says not to post links to "Blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority. (This exception for blogs, etc., controlled by recognized authorities is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities who are individuals always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for people.)" This essentially fits that criteria, plus the user who keeps adding the links is apparently the person who shot the video, which makes it self-promotional in nature. - Ahunt (talk) 19:38, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Flying Magazine July 2013 Source[edit]

If someone has access to the July 2013 of Flying magazine, please fill in the empty fields in the commented-out reference I added in my recent edit, and remove the other citation. As can be seen here, this article comes from the July 2013 issue. I like having the web link, but I think it's best to add the information from the magazine as well, in case the web link gets taken down, or put behind a paywall. Scotteaton92 (talk) 20:08, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

that's why archive.org --Marc Lacoste (talk) 09:43, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

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