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query[edit]

should someone mention in the traditions section about the fact that every Pixar film includes a short film that precedes it as a demonstration of their technology or something? Visokor (talk) 14:31, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

edit war re inclusion of class action suit[edit]

Simple broken link[edit]

Hi, I'am reviewing this article for a school project and I noticed that one of the reference links is no longer available. It is number 72. "Pixar: 20 Years of Animation". Pixar. Retrieved June 28, 2010. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jv19965 (talkcontribs) 04:26, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Infobox, missing Steve Jobs?[edit]

Why is there no reference to Steve Jobs as a founder in the Info box? or even as a key person?

If he is not considered a founder, then it also means there is incorrect information on his own page since that page lists him as founder and CEO of Pixar.74.104.150.176 (talk) 20:59, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

From what I've been able to dig up, he did not help found Pixar.[1] He purchased an already founded company and became its CEO. Alvy Ray Smith is very adamant about this but, of course, he's not really an unbiased source.[2] I've added a note to talk page for Steve Jobs. HollywoodCowboy (talk) 17:58, 14 April 2015 (UTC)


All the sources but one actually link to articles and sites that claim he didn't found Pixar. Is there a chance this will ever get fixed?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.156.29.67 (talk) 20:13, 13 December 2015 (UTC) 

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Cofounders of Pixar are Ed Catmull and Alvy Ray Smith[edit]

A mistaken, widely believed error is that Steve Jobs cofounded Pixar. The facts are that Ed Catmull and I cofounded Pixar and Steve Jobs was our venture capitalist. The issue here as regards the Wikipedia page is should I be allowed to contribute documentation to support this point, or should I be disallowed because I am cofounder?

Of course, if all I did was pass on hearsay, then I shouldn't (nor should anybody) be allowed to do so.

I am quite aware of the apparent conflict of interest issue here, so that's why I seek to back up all claims with original documentation from the founding years of Pixar. They are in my Pixar archive, which has been archived by Pixar archivists. They are the first two footnotes of the Pixar wikipedia page.

The ticklish problem here is the dominating influence of Steve Jobs. He started claiming in 1994 that HE was the cofounder of Pixar. This was when Pixar was already eight years old. It was part of his marketing scheme to sell Pixar to investors when he took the company public.

As many know Steve and I didn't get along. This is well (and accurately) documented in Walter Isaacson's book on Jobs. From the point of our big argument own Steve started writing me out of the history of Pixar, and everybody goes along with his version. The Isaacson book, by the way, lists me as cofounder. David Price's excellent history of Pixar, The Pixar Story, also does.

My goal is to get my cofounding credit back, using standard historical mean - that is, original documentation.

So, I have contributed the Pixar Founding Documents that show Ed and me as cofounders and Steve as investor. That is the actual truth.

I have also contributed the Managment pages of several years of Pixar company business plans, six of them as I recall, that show in every case either the lack of Steve Jobs's name (before the founding) or lists Ed and me as the only cofounders and not Steve Jobs, who is always listed as cofounder of Apple and Pixar's principal investor. This is the documentation that proves he was not cofounder and didn't even claim it until the IPO prospectus of 1994. I believe this is conclusive evidence of my claim. Steve's claim in 1994 was a pure marketing ploy that not only made the cofounder misclaim but also portrayed him as CEO since the founding. That statement was also not true, as the documentation in footnote 2 (the aforementioned six business plans) supports.

I know no other way to get the truth out since anybody associated with Steve Jobs continues to spread the untruth that he, Ed Catmull, and John Lasseter cofounded Pixar. (Lasseter was a key employee present at the founding with 37 other founding employees, who are not considered cofounders.)

Ed and I conceived the company, wrote the business plan for it, decided who to hire to be part of it, interviewed them, and raised the money for the company, all the things cofounders do. So far as financing is concerned, we approached 45 different funding opportunities together, 35 venture capital firms and 10 large corporations. All said No to us except General Motors. We almost closed a deal with GM (with the H Ross Perot branch) but it fell through at the last minute. Steve Jobs had approached us near the beginning of the negotiations with GM and proposed to Ed and me to buy us from Lucasfilm. We said No, but we would take his money and run it ourselves. He agreed and ran a number by Lucasfilm. They rejected it because it was about 1/2 to 1/3 what GM was offering. But when GM fell through, Ed and I called Steve and urged him to make the same offer again. This time it was accepted. So he funded us. The three of us were the board of directors. Ed and I were the management.

By the way, VCs are not listed as cofounders as a general rule in Silicon Valley. I do not list Autodesk as a cofounder of my second company Altamira Software, for example. It wasn't their idea. Pixar wasn't Steve Jobs's idea. He was of course very important to us, but not cofounder nor creator of the notion or the look or feel of Pixar.

Question: How do I get this kind of info into the Pixar wikipedia history other than submit those original documents? Nobody else is going to apparently. I can't see why such submission is Conflict of Interest. It is Truth. Meanwhile I get cut out of my credit after working closely with Ed Catmull for 16 years to get there.

Alvyray (talk) 21:19, 6 May 2016 (UTC) Alvy Ray Smith, cofounder of Pixar with Ed Catmull

@Alvyray: Conflict of interest is defined as when you contribute to articles about yourself, your family, your company, or your organization. From WP:COI: "COI editing is strongly discouraged. It undermines public confidence in Wikipedia, and risks causing public embarrassment to the individuals being promoted." So unless you want to be blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia, I suggest you cease editing any articles related to Pixar immediately. ElectricBurst(Electron firings)(Zaps) 21:26, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Alvyray seems to be correct. The second source he provided here is primary, but took about 20 seconds to find another. (As a reminder, WP:COI isn't an excuse to WP:BITE folks who are trying to edit in good faith and are presenting sources.)
Alvyray, probably better in the future if you make requests for others to enact suggested changes. You can do this by pasting {{request edit}} on the talk page along with your suggested changes. That will add the page to a que of requested edits. Alternatively, you can ping me to a page by pasting {{u|Timothyjosephwood}} and I will try to help out. Your editing history seems constructive; it's more of an appearance of impropriety thing.
It also may be a good idea to create a user page by clicking here and disclosing your COI there. Again, propriety and all that. TimothyJosephWood 14:27, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
I concur as well about Alvyray being correct. And I also agree you should declare your COI on your userpage. And per TJW's suggestion about using {{request edit}}, any edit you request to be made should also be accompanied with a reliable source to support the proposed content. You can ping me as well to help with any requests or sourcing.-- Isaidnoway (talk) 18:41, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Requested edit[edit]


John lasseter should be removed from the list of Pixar cofounders. I've already proved that the cofounders were Ed Catmull and myself, Alvy Ray Smith. The two footnotes attached to my name in the cofounder list contain this proof. John Lasseter as cofounder was another invention by Steve Jobs at IPO time. The first time John appears listed as cofounder is in the 1994 IPO prospectus, eight years after the founding of the company (the same place where Jobs first claimed he was cofounder). John was extremely important to Pixar but he was not a cofounder. He was one of 38 founding employees that Ed and I brought with us into the new company (see listing in the Founding Documents, footnote 1). If John is listed then so must be these 38 people (including secretaries and the receptionist, everybody in the new company whom Ed and I had convinced to go along with us).

Yes check.svg Done TimothyJosephWood 23:34, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

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  1. ^ Ulanoff, Lance. "Without Steve Jobs: The Pixar Story". Mashable. Mashable. Retrieved 10 April 2015. 
  2. ^ Smith, Alvy Ray. "Pixar Myth No. 2: Steve Jobs Co-Founded Pixar". Alvy Ray Smith. Alvy Ray Smith. Retrieved 10 April 2015.